The 00's = the death of defense in the NBA? No contact league?

[QUOTE=bruceblitz]The death of defense?
by Roland Lazenby / October 20, 2006

[QUOTE=BirdOverrated]2005-present: zone, handchecking not allowed, but selectively enforced
2001-2004: Handchecking+Zone defense
90s : Isolation

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This is what MJ would've done to those defenders:

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[QUOTE=andgar923]This is what MJ would've done to those defenders:

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And this is what Kobe would do those weak 90s defenders:

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[QUOTE=BirdOverrated]
duh
uh, I'm stupid.
I like to discredit anything not named Kobe
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Jordan vs "Isolation"
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SMH at people who use handpicked pics and youtube videos to make their argument on the defenses. You actually aren't serious right?

Anyways, look no further than the stats. Defensive rating which is a fairly accurate measure of how good a teams defense is (almost always the best defensive team has the best D rating, eg. Celtics, Spurs, Pistons in the last decade) shows defenses have been better from 2000 onward.

[QUOTE=Fatal9]SMH at people who use handpicked pics and youtube videos to make their argument on the defenses. You actually aren't serious right?

Anyways, look no further than the stats. Defensive rating which is a fairly accurate measure of how good a teams defense is (almost always the best defensive team has the best D rating, eg. Celtics, Spurs, Pistons in the last decade) shows defenses have been better from 2000 onward.[/QUOTE]

You must've missed my post addressing this.

Those stats are highly misleading.

[QUOTE=Fatal9]SMH at people who use handpicked pics and youtube videos to make their argument on the defenses. You actually aren't serious right?

Anyways, look no further than the stats. Defensive rating which is a fairly accurate measure of how good a teams defense is (almost always the best defensive team has the best D rating, eg. Celtics, Spurs, Pistons in the last decade) shows defenses have been better from 2000 onward.[/QUOTE]


Exactly. 2003 Spurs, 2004 Pistons, 2008 Celtics - among the cream of the crop.

Is BirdOverrated really Alborz? I thought his posts had a familiar ring to them. Sad that his Kb42pah persona was so badly ripped apart and discredited that he had to change monickers. I think people empower him by answering his recycled (and debunked many times over) b.s.

But I just wanted to address his claim of 'greatest defensive era' that ended in '04. First of all, as many have stated, no teams have ever used zone D for more than a handful of possessions except the Mavs from earlier this decade, and to disastrous effect. But more importantly, handchecking as players of Jordan's era was all but dead by '01. From NBA.com (rule change history):

'97-'98

Can't wait to see what b.s. excuse Alborz has for me...

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LOL @ any simpleton who believes that defensive stats (average team ppg/FG%) in the '99-'04 era or until the present are SOLELY due to better defense. :oldlol: You can really tell who the dullards are by seeing who believes that.

[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]LOL @ any simpleton who believes that defensive stats (average team ppg/FG%) in the '99-'04 era or until the present are SOLELY due to better defense. :oldlol: You can really tell who the dullards are by seeing who believes that.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, especially since team PPG were across the board much lower than they are/were in the '00s.

[QUOTE=Fatal9]SMH at people who use handpicked pics and youtube videos to make their argument on the defenses. You actually aren't serious right?

Anyways, look no further than the stats. Defensive rating which is a fairly accurate measure of how good a teams defense is (almost always the best defensive team has the best D rating, eg. Celtics, Spurs, Pistons in the last decade) shows defenses have been better from 2000 onward.[/QUOTE]
QFT

[QUOTE=Showtime]^ haha how many times is Albroz going to have his argument debunked?

Myth 1: Zone + Handcheck

Debunk: Zone wasn't widely used when first allowed. At the time, many coaches didn't implement it, some didn't coach it well or like to use it, and players weren't accustomed to using it. The teams that DID use it didn't use it as their primary defense, and like a press defense, it was used sparingly in short durations to disrupt an offense. Saying a player played in the "zone era" when man to man is still the most popular and widely used defense means this myth is total BS.

Myth 2: Zone > M2M

Debunk: Zone defense is different, not superior to man. Zone has players guard areas of the court, and an effective zone can limit penetration by cutting off the lanes. This can be countered, however, by ball movement and player positioning. If it's a sloppy zone, then it's even easier. Zone isn't perfect, and can be exploited with ball movement, player positioning, and outside shooting.[/QUOTE]
wait a second thats pah?? This explains a lot.

Alborz is going to love this. Turns out, as I said before, Kobe's piss poor performance in the '04 Finals facilitated the death knell for physical play on the perimeter:

About his legendary performance (From ESPN article 'Ranking the 10 worst Finals Performances, John Hollinger June 12, 2008)

[INDENT][I][B]Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers, 2004
Lakers vs. Pistons -- Bryant's PER 14.2[/B]
"With his feud against Shaq escalating and the series getting away from the Lakers, Bryant began taking whatever shot struck him. Mostly, they struck the rim -- he shot 38.1 percent and had nearly as many turnovers (18) as assists (22) as Detroit romped in five games."

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During the series, Mav's owner Mark Cuban made some interesting observations about the defensive play of the Pistons (handchecking as Jordan era players new it was dead, but minimal/temporary contact was still sometimes allowed) and the 'advantage' they had over offensive perimeter players and decided a change was necesary to tip the scales in the other direction...

From his Blog Maverick weblog, Mark Cuban's article 'If It