Insider: Who's better Kobe vs Lebron

[QUOTE=Jacks3]:oldlol: @ lebron being a better perimeter shooter.[/QUOTE]

No, he's not a better perimeter shooter this year; he just takes more threes than Kobe, makes more, and at a higher %.

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So seriously... am I the only one that sees that ...

Being voted #1 unanimously by my peers is >>>>>> than being voted #1 by a few ESPN journalists and a bunch of NBA fans

Just curious.

Does anyone else think Lebron reads that article and just cannot get past the line "Advanced stats clearly favor LeBron. On the other hand, NBA players say almost unanimously that Kobe is the game's best."?

[QUOTE=Simple Jack]No, he's not a better perimeter shooter this year; he just takes more threes than Kobe, makes more, and at a higher %.

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So? It's been 25 games. It's not a large enough sample size. Kobe has shot better from three every single year. Besides, Kobe is a considerably better FT and mid-range shooter. LBJ being a better shooter than Kobe is laughable. :roll:

Kobe is the better mid shooter, Lebron is the better player since last year.

Kobe is the best player in the world. Comfortably, as well.

And the article lost all credibility at Lebron is the better shooter. Since when? His 3 pt shot is the only thing better this year. Even that at the end of the season won't be the case.

I won't bother arguing the rest, but Kobe once again has proved he's the best in the world, followed by Lebron and then Wade.

As much as I praised Kobe early in the season I don't really like his approach lately. Even with a finger injury he's still taking a ton of shots, he's shooting a lot early in the game and doing that with a ton of scorers on his team, including Bynum who could benefit from some more touches. I did like his approach vs OKC, though. He let his teammates get a lot of touches early and he took over and dominated the game later.

But I have to wonder why he's shooting so much? I'd think it'd be better to be a bit more passive with the nagging injuries. It's a long season, he's had a long career and it wouldn't hurt to get Bynum some more shots. Holding back his scoring a bit helped last season in the long run and that was with less offensive firepower around him.

And this debate is very difficult. Lebron is just so dominant individually as we saw in the 2009 playoffs, but I love Kobe's post game and mid-range game. I'd give Kobe the edge as the scorer, shooter, post player, defender and clutch player. Lebron easily has the edge for rebounding, passing/playmaking and driving to the basket though. Lebron's advantage in those categories is more noticeable than Kobe's in the others(except for post play where he kills Lebron), but it depends what you value more.

[QUOTE=plowking]I won't bother arguing the rest, but Kobe once again has proved he's the best in the world, followed by Lebron and then Wade.[/QUOTE]

I can't put Wade top 3 until he starts playing at his '06 or '09 level again, or atleast close. As of now i'd have to put Howard and Paul ahead of him. Durant is having a better season too, but better overall player is up for debate.

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]I can't put Wade top 3 until he starts playing at his '06 or '09 level again, or atleast close. As of now i'd have to put Howard and Paul ahead of him. Durant is having a better season too, but better overall player is up for debate.[/QUOTE]

However you put it, I'm not too fussed. Speaking strictly in terms of Kobe and Lebron, its Kobe.

For whatever reason Kobe's teammates have career years in FG% when they play with him and LeBron's seem to consistently let him down. And yet when people compare the two, LeBron gets credit for making his teammates better and Kobe gets dinged for having great support.

Kobe is better at what he does (scoring 2 guard) then LeBron is at what he does (all-around 3/force in the paint) but what LeBron does is A LOT more valuable than what Kobe does.

Anyone who thinks a 2-guard who shoots outside jump-shots and can guard perimeter players is more valuable to a basketball team than a 3/4 who dominates the lane and can guard 4 positions has a fundamental philosophical disagreement about the game of basketball with me. There's really no point in arguing; we're just watching different games.

LeBron shut Evans completely down, a guy Kobe would have major issues with.

I'm not even going to be a d*ck here, but how can anyone give Kobe the edge in scoring and defense?

C'mon, the time has come to accept greatness for what it is. LeBron scores the same ppg average as Kobe on less shots a game. Significantly less.

People need to start using facts, man. I'm sorry, but Durant torches Kobe, gets him foul trouble. Probably could have fouled him out. The next night, LeBron absolutely suffocated Evans in the last three minutes and OT. Kobe defended with bluster and over-exaggerating defensive stances which put him in poor position to react to Durant's shot or dribble drive. LeBron on the other hand, stayed low on Tyreke and gave him space on the dribble that he knew he could make up if Tyreke raised for the jumper.

How does this translate into Kobe being the better defender? Cavs had noone to check Evans. No one. Kobe isn't even their go-to stopper on D.

Kobe better defender than LeBron?

This is prime example of people just making sh*t up.

[QUOTE=Mor'Fiyah]So seriously... am I the only one that sees that ...

Being voted #1 unanimously by my peers is >>>>>> than being voted #1 by a few ESPN journalists and a bunch of NBA fans

Just curious.

Does anyone else think Lebron reads that article and just cannot get past the line "Advanced stats clearly favor LeBron. On the other hand, NBA players say almost unanimously that Kobe is the game's best."?[/QUOTE]

All of this bluster and no one can really address this point? If Lebron is obviously better than Kobe then why would the actual players (most of whom are not even friends with Kobe) all pick him as the best player in the game? Wouldn't they have the best perspective on this? Wouldn't they be in the best position to judge? Am I off my rockers for thinking its that simple?

[QUOTE=plowking]Kobe is the best player in the world. Comfortably, as well.[/QUOTE]
I'm curious to know how you came to this conclusion. Because I vaguely remember you saying the exact same thing about LeBron a few weeks ago :confusedshrug:

I'm sorry but the slobbage ESPN just gave Lebron is ridiculous. Chris Brousarrd or however you spell his name who I "Had" alot of respect for is just suckin Labrizzy's nuts, saying that if they switched teams the Lakers would be close to 70 win's and the Cavs would just be a mere playoff team and wouldn't be competing againts the Magic & Boston's of the world is flat out stupid.. let Lebron grind it out in the west for a season and see how he doesn't look so mighty. Oh yea btw Lebron & Kobe's playmaking ability is alot closer then people think.. watch the game's people, just don't look at stats.

[QUOTE=The GM]I'm sorry but the slobbage ESPN just gave Lebron is ridiculous. Chris Brousarrd or however you spell his name who I "Had" alot of respect for is just suckin Labrizzy's nuts, saying that if they switched teams the Lakers would be close to 70 win's and the Cavs would just be a mere playoff team and wouldn't be competing againts the Magic & Boston's of the world is flat out stupid.. let Lebron grind it out in the west for a season and see how he doesn't look so mighty. Oh yea btw Lebron & Kobe's playmaking ability is alot closer then people think.. watch the game's people, just don't look at stats.[/QUOTE]

LeBron on the Lakers squad would brake the 72 win mark. That is legit. Kobe on Cleveland would be a 48ish win team. However whose better? Kobe. You a fool if you think LBJ wouldn't be averaging at least 12 ast a game on that LAL team. Prolly a triple double even seeing how Bynum hardly grabs any rebounds.