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[QUOTE=tpols]Alright there you go. You're previous statement was admitted false. We're all wrong sometimes.[/QUOTE]
I'm not following you. Being a better scorer for the 1-2 games each year when you're blazing hot does not equal being the better scorer in general. A team would have to be bonkers to take Kobe over MJ if all they needed was a 30+ ppg scorer (i.e., excluding all other aspects of the game).
[QUOTE=laronprofit9]
Below are Kobe Bryant's Best Playoff series of his career. Which to you, Stands out as the best of his entire career?[/B]
[B]2001 2nd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Sacramento Kings
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35.0 ppg 9.0 rpg 4.3 apg 47%fg 20%3P 86%FT
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2001 3rd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs San Antonio Spurs[/B]
33.3 ppg 7.0 rpg 7.0 apg 51%fg 36%3P 77%FT
[B]2003 1st Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Minnesota Timberwolves[/B]
31.8 ppg 5.2 rpg 6.7 apg 43%fg 36%3P 87%FT
[B]2008 1st Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Denver Nuggets[/B]
33.5 ppg 5.3 rpg 6.3 apg 50%fg 33%3P 74%FT
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2008 2nd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Utah Jazz[/B]
33.2 ppg 7.0 rpg 7.2 apg 49%fg 21%3P 83%FT
[B]2008 3rd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs San Antonio Spurs
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29.2 ppg 5.6 rpg 3.8 apg 53%fg 33%3P 91%FT
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2009 3rd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Denver Nuggets
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34.0 ppg 5.8 rpg 5.8 apg 48%fg 34%3P 93%FT
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2009 NBA Finals Kobe Bryant vs Orlando Magic[/B]
32.4 ppg 5.6 rpg 7.4 apg 43%fg 36%3P 84%FT
[B]2010 2nd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Utah Jazz
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32.0 ppg 3.8 rpg 5.8 apg 52%fg 25%3P 87%FT
[B]2010 3rd Round Playoffs Kobe Bryant vs Phoenix Suns[/B]
33.7ppg 7.2 rpg 8.3 apg 52%fg 43%3P 88%FT[/QUOTE]
you just enumerate his playoffs statistics....
but his best series are 2001 series vs Kings & Spurs, 2002 vs Spurs, 2008 vs Spurs, 2009 vs Jazz, 2010 vs Jazz & Suns. the rest has nothing to do with great performances.
but the greatest perf to me are those against tough teams and with that i have to keep the 2001 WCF series and 2002 WCSF series above the others.
now permit myself to laugh when someone says that kobe is a playoffs performer...
This thread just went to shits, just because KG5MVP's dummbass felt the need to deminish Kobe's accomplishments
[QUOTE=necya]
now permit myself to laugh when someone says that kobe is a playoffs performer...[/QUOTE]
good for you
[B]00/01 Playoffs[/B]
29.4 ppg 7.3 rpg 6.1 apg 1.6 spg 47fg% 32%3P 82%FT
[B]01/02 Playoffs[/B]
26.6 ppg 5.8 rpg 4.6 apg 1.4 spg 43fg% 37%3P 76%FT
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02/03 Playoffs[/B]
32.1 ppg 5.1 rpg 5.2 apg 1.2 spg 43fg% 40%3P 82%FT
[B]05/06 Playoffs[/B]
27.9 ppg 6.3 rpg 5.7 apg 1.1 spg 50fg% 40%3P 77%FT
[B]06/07 Playoffs[/B]
32.8 ppg 5.2 rpg 4.4 apg 1.0 spg 46fg% 36%3P 91%FT
[B]07/08 Playoffs[/B]
30.1 ppg 5.7 rpg 5.6 apg 1.7 spg 48fg% 30%3P 81%FT
[B]08/09 Playoffs[/B]
30.2 ppg 5.3 rpg 5.5 apg 1.6 spg 46fg% 35%3P 88%FT
[B]09/10 Playoffs[/B]
29.2 ppg 6.0 rpg 5.5 apg 1.4spg 46 fg% 37%3P 84%FT
[QUOTE=tpols]Kobe is not inferior in every way to jordan. Your stanning has gone too far. He's a better overall player but kobe is a better shooter, has more range, and has a higher scoring cieling (his best scoring games are better in terms of scoring points).[/QUOTE]
A higher scoring ceiling that has led to (3) 30 point seasons, compared to Jordans (8(9 if you round off)....yeah I can see what your getting at..:roll:
30 ppg 50%FG career to 25 ppg 46%FG career...yup that ceiling has produced worse overrall numbers and less points than Jordan's time(13 seasons/2 basically missed) with the Bulls
Kobe better 3 ball(slim margin)
Jordan better Mid Range game(slim margin)
Jordan better post game(huge margin)
[QUOTE=Calabis]A higher scoring ceiling that has led to (3) 30 point seasons, compared to Jordans (8(9 if you round off)....yeah I can see what your getting at..:roll:
30 ppg 50%FG career to 25 ppg 46%FG career...yup that ceiling has produced worse overrall numbers and less points than Jordan's time(13 seasons/2 basically missed) with the Bulls[/QUOTE]
How is a career average a ceiling? Are you stupid?
[QUOTE=tpols]How is a career average a ceiling? Are you stupid?[/QUOTE]
According to you he has a higher scoring ceiling(which means Kobe is capable of scoring more and putting out more high point games).....yet this ceiling has produced less points and a worse FG%...are you stupid???
[QUOTE=Calabis]A higher scoring ceiling that has led to (3) 30 point seasons, compared to Jordans (8(9 if you round off)....yeah I can see what your getting at..:roll:
30 ppg 50%FG career to 25 ppg 46%FG career...yup that ceiling has produced worse overrall numbers and less points than Jordan's time(13 seasons/2 basically missed) with the Bulls
Kobe better 3 ball(big)
Jordan better Mid Range game(equal)
Jordan better post game(equal)
Jordan better at attacking(big)[/QUOTE]
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BTW are you serious going to compare a 17 yr old kid with a 21 yr Jordan? really? do you really think that's a fair comparison?
Also 50%FG to 46%FG is not that big a difference.
[QUOTE=G-Funk]Fixed
BTW are you serious going to compare a 17 yr old kid with a 21 yr Jordan? really? do you really think that's a fair comparison?
Also 50%FG to 46%FG is not that big a difference.[/QUOTE]
Lol....50% to 46% is a big difference, if he hit 50% of his shots he would be avg 30ppg not 25ppg
your talking 3-5 points more a game, I'm sure that can make a difference in several games, also if its not that huge of a difference, tell me why he hasn't been able to hit that 50% mark......why because its hard as hell for a 2 guard
Also I can give you the mid range...but post game...lmao Jordan way better sorry
and why people think Kobe is Reggie Miller from 3 is beyond me...he's 34%(decent)
[QUOTE=Calabis]Lol....50% to 46% is a big difference, if he hit 50% of his shots he would be avg 30ppg not 25ppg
your talking 3-5 points more a game, I'm sure that can make a difference in several games, also if its not that huge of a difference, tell me why he hasn't been able to hit that 50% mark......why because its hard as hell for a 2 guard
Also I can give you the mid range...but post game...lmao Jordan way better sorry
and why people think Kobe is Reggie Miller from 3 is beyond me...he's 34%(decent)[/QUOTE]
Nope, Kobe shot alot less then MJ I think it's 19 to 23 by MJ . And if Kobe hit 50% he would average 27 that's only 2 more points(1 shot) where did you give him 5 more points?
Kobe's post game is phenomemal, You saw Jordan do it more often because he had no inside precence, like Kobe has had with Shaq, Gasol & Bynum. Just because Jordan scored more from the post does not mean he was better at doing it.
[QUOTE=Calabis]Lol....50% to 46% is a big difference, if he hit 50% of his shots he would be avg 30ppg not 25ppg
your talking 3-5 points more a game, I'm sure that can make a difference in several games, also if its not that huge of a difference, tell me why he hasn't been able to hit that 50% mark......why because its hard as hell for a 2 guard
Also I can give you the mid range...but post game...lmao Jordan way better sorry
and why people think Kobe is Reggie Miller from 3 is beyond me...he's 34%(decent)[/QUOTE]
No... the difference between 50% and 46% is actually less than one shot per game. If jordan goes 15/30 kobe goes 14/30. They actually take and make way less shots than this per game(kobe avg 19fga and jordan 23fga) meaning the difference is even less. Funny how you say 3-5 points though when you're completely talking out of your ass. Kobe's better freethrow shooting and 3pt shooting boost his points per possession even higher making the difference on a game to game basis even more negligible.
lol @ people thinking Kobe's post game is as good as MJ's. Wow. Kobe is easily the most overrated player ever - and that's saying a lot, considering he's probably one of the BEST 8-10 players ever (different from the top 10 all-time). Dude just has to do something VERY WELL, and his fans will exaggerate shit and act like he's better at it than THE BEST EVER at it.
[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]lol @ people thinking Kobe's post game is as good as MJ's. Wow. Kobe is easily the most overrated player ever - and that's saying a lot, considering he's probably one of the BEST 8-10 players ever (different from the top 10 all-time). Dude just has to do something VERY WELL, and his fans will exaggerate shit and act like he's better at it than THE BEST EVER at it.[/QUOTE]
Jordan is the most hyped, overrated player in North American sports history.
The whole image of Jordan is a media fabrication and the GOAT talk is non-sense.
I just don't understand you guys, it seems to me you have not played basketball. I don't know anyone can sit here and not understand the physical toll on [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr-z4gubTTE&feature=sub"]Jordan[/URL] compared to Kobe. Jordan was getting beat down on a nightly basis(this makes it harder period), yet he maintained a high performance level on both sides of the court. Kobe doesn't take no where near the physical punishment that Jordan did, so he should have more energy to exert on the offensive end. Jordan would be better in today's league(Wade on Steroids), without question.
When Kobe is hot, there is no question he is on par with MJ and may exceed him some nights, but due to the fact that he is less efficient and consistent than MJ on a nightly basis, is why he not a better player....., its not a matter of skill that separate them, its a matter that Jordan was the better player night in and night out, than Kobe will ever be.
Kobe is the closest we will ever see to MJ, and from a overrall skill standpoint, he may be the best ever, but unless there is some kid who has model MJ/Kobe's game and added consistency/efficiency...MJ will always be GOAT and Kobe will be the 2nd best two guard ever....
STFU you moronic Jordan dick-rider. Pathetic losers.