What is Kobe's legacy if he beats Miami's big 3 in the finals?

[QUOTE=chazzy]Well, you gotta factor in efficiency as well. But Pau didn't show up on the road at all, that's my biggest problem with him getting FMVP. And the one road game he did score well, he only grabbed 6 boards and played bad interior D.[/QUOTE]

He played well one game, game 3? I think? apart from that he struggled and played abit like he did in 08.

[QUOTE=barbaroi]Let's look at the stat lines shall we:

Game 1: Kobe - 30/7/6 Pau - 23/14/3
Game 2: Kobe - 21/5/6 Pau - 25/8/3
Game 3: Kobe - 29/7/4 Pau - 13/10/4
Game 4: Kobe - 33/6/2 Pau - 21/6/3
Game 5: Kobe - 38/5/4 Pau - 12/12/0
Game 6: Kobe - 26/11/3 Pau - 17/13/9
Game 7: Kobe - 23/15/2 Pau - 19/18/2

Now, how exactly are you going to argue Pau played better?[/QUOTE]

Interesting.

Gasol didn't show up on the road, period.

[b]Western Conf Finals (Away):

Gasol: 15.6 ppg/7.0 rpg
Kobe: 36.6 ppg/8.3 rpg/6.7 apg

NBA Finals (Away):

Gasol: 15.3 ppg/9.3 rpg
Kobe: 33.3 ppg/6.9 rpg/3.3 apg[/b]

[QUOTE=chazzy]Well, you gotta factor in efficiency as well. But Pau didn't show up on the road at all, that's my biggest problem with him getting FMVP. And the one road game he did score well, he only grabbed 6 boards and played bad interior D.[/QUOTE]
He was 2% more efficient, than Kobe; That's certainly not enough to argue for Pau as finals MVP in the face of such a large discrepancy in raw production.

[QUOTE=barbaroi]He was 2% more efficient, than Kobe; That's certainly not enough to argue for Pau as finals MVP in the face of such a large discrepancy in raw production.[/QUOTE]

hold on dude. way more to it than a simple point/rebound/assist stat line. how about gasol's length completely dominating the series. did you notice how rondo and pierce never finished at the rim? yea....that was gasol and bynum. gasol outplayed the celtics front line for the series. that is damn impressive. he was going against kg/davis/wallace/perkins.....and he was the best player and owned that matchup.

gasol was better in the 4th qtrs. he was better in game 7....and much better late in game 7.

and he did all of that on limited touches because kobe was shot jacking non stop all series. imagine what gasol would have done if the lakers had run the offense properly the entire series.

[QUOTE=barbaroi]He was 2% more efficient, than Kobe; That's certainly not enough to argue for Pau as finals MVP in the face of such a large discrepancy in raw production.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure you can credit Kobe too for how difficult it was for Boston to score? Had nothing to do with long-ass Gasol patrolling the paint right?

[QUOTE=ginobli2311]
[B]and he did all of that on limited touches because kobe was shot jacking non stop all series. imagine what gasol would have done if the lakers had run the offense properly the entire series.[/B][/QUOTE]
:rolleyes: The Lakers did run the offense properly. Gasol in the finals averaged 12.8 FGA/8.7 FTA per game. During the regular season Gasol averaged 13.0 FGA/5.6FTA per game. Gasol got his shots.

[QUOTE=ginobli2311]hold on dude. way more to it than a simple point/rebound/assist stat line. how about gasol's length completely dominating the series. did you notice how rondo and pierce never finished at the rim? yea....that was gasol and bynum. gasol outplayed the celtics front line for the series. that is damn impressive. he was going against kg/davis/wallace/perkins.....and he was the best player and owned that matchup.

gasol was better in the 4th qtrs. he was better in game 7....and much better late in game 7.

and he did all of that on limited touches because kobe was shot jacking non stop all series. imagine what gasol would have done if the lakers had run the offense properly the entire series.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't say he completely dominated the entire series, he had stretches of dominance, but he clearly got outplayed by KG, Big Baby, and KG again in 3 consecutive road games.

[QUOTE=New York Knicks]I'm sure you can credit Kobe too for how difficult it was for Boston to score? Had nothing to do with long-ass Gasol patrolling the paint right?[/QUOTE]
It had everything to do with Gasol. And it had everything to do with Kobe. The [I]team[/I] defense was spectacular.

[QUOTE=barbaroi]:rolleyes: The Lakers did run the offense properly. Gasol in the finals averaged 12.8 FGA/8.7 FTA per game. During the regular season Gasol averaged 13.0 FGA/5.6FTA per game. Gasol got his shots.[/QUOTE]

no

he should have had more touches. that does not mean shots always. the way the celtics played them....gasol should have been getting the ball more often. kobe was wasting 3 to 5 possessions with awful shots/decisions.

anyone that watched the game would tell you the ball movement was lacking all series for the lakers other than game 6. and that was mainly kobe's fault. he held the ball way too long on the wing and was not decisive.

[QUOTE=barbaroi]It had everything to do with Gasol. And it had everything to do with Kobe. The [I]team[/I] defense was spectacular.[/QUOTE]
LOL. Are you telling me Kobe's impact on defense is equal to Gasol's? Tell me you're not THIS much of a Kobe homer.

[QUOTE=barbaroi]It had everything to do with Gasol. And it had everything to do with Kobe. The [I]team[/I] defense was spectacular.[/QUOTE]

Bynum's length clogging the paint gave Boston all kind of problems. Stats aside Bynum was a real factor.

[QUOTE=All Net]Bynum's length clogging the paint gave Boston all kind of problems. Stats aside Bynum was a real factor.[/QUOTE]

totally agree. when bynum played he had a great impact.

[QUOTE=ginobli2311]what does 26 games have to do with entire careers? are you seriously trying to run with a 26 game sample size when each player has played over a thousand games?

my god you are an idiot. what do you mean...duncan is not kobe? of course not. duncan is much better. he's a more complete player that never let ego get in the way of winning. duncan has 4 titles playing with half the talent kobe has had. put duncan and a top 10 player of all time on the same team for 8 years and they win 8 titles. duncan was great from day 1 as well.

just because he isn't spectacular does not mean he isn't great. what do you think wade and duncan or lebron and duncan would have done over the last 7 years? neither one even comes close to shaq.....my guess is that the spurs win 5 titles minimum if duncan had wade/lebron. LOL

are you serious with this stuff.[/QUOTE]

We have debated this topic before, and I am not going to dig up EVERY argument in Kobe's favor. Kobe DOMINATED those Spurs-Lakers series...

but having said that, though...

you discount Kobe's dominance over Duncan in those 26 games...yet you point out several of Kobe's "failures" in his post-season career. The FACT is, Kobe has been one of the top-3 SCORERS in post-season HISTORY. AND, his SCORING goes WAY beyond those that argue his FG%. When he is basically the ONLY player that CAN score, as was the case in this past Celtic championship series, of course his FG% is going to be lower.

BTW, do you want me to look up ALL of the MANY post-season flops in Duncan's career? Hell, he had a miserable 10-27 game seven himself, and he had post-season series so bad, his team couldn't advance. So, PLEASE, no more of these ISOLATED shots at Kobe's career. By the time Kobe hangs it up, Duncan won't be in the conversation at all.

[QUOTE=ginobli2311]no

he should have had more touches. that does not mean shots always. the way the celtics played them....gasol should have been getting the ball more often. kobe was wasting 3 to 5 possessions with awful shots/decisions.

anyone that watched the game would tell you the ball movement was lacking all series for the lakers other than game 6. and that was mainly kobe's fault. he held the ball way too long on the wing and was not decisive.[/QUOTE]
What, you think I didn't watch the games? The ball movement was difficult [I]because Boston is a damn good defensive team.[/I] They weren't just standing there allowing the Lakers to make clean passes. There is a reason why Wade averaged 5.2 TO per game against Boston and Lebron averaged 4.5 TO per game.

[QUOTE=Bring-Your-Js]Interesting.

Gasol didn't show up on the road, period.

[b]Western Conf Finals (Away):

Gasol: 15.6 ppg/7.0 rpg
Kobe: 36.6 ppg/8.3 rpg/6.7 apg

NBA Finals (Away):

Gasol: 15.3 ppg/9.3 rpg
Kobe: 33.3 ppg/6.9 rpg/3.3 apg[/b][/QUOTE]


[B][SIZE="6"]This, End thread.
Ginobli got owned once again.[/SIZE][/B]