International teams play a better brand of basketball than USA

[QUOTE=50inchvertical]Nobody said both races were equal, hell no 2 people are genetically equal; it's just not this outright thing that if you're black you're athletic automatically and if you aren't, then you aren't and nothing can be done about it.

If you can't jump high but want to, get in the weight room as well as on some plyos and you will jump high.

And yes black people do overwhelmingly pick up basketball and football more than other sports, especially the other ones you listed. Basketball is pretty much the sport of choice. Like you mention cycling and how I guess you think white people are genetically predisposed to being better at it, how many schools have a cycling program compared to schools with a basketball team?

Ask Chase Buddinger. He was born with the, what you consider to be a handicap in sports, of being white yet he wanted to be a great volleyball/basketball player and turned himself into just that. Ditto Joe Alexander.

Google Alex Maroko. He makes his millions training people who never think they can be athletic, to be athletic. Kelly Baggett is another guy to look at. Both are white as well.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_csSUFF_4U[/url]

I got a video of Alex hitting his head on the rim somewhere, I think it's in my email. I'll find it. He's 5'10 btw

Getting over the mental handicap is the first hurdle.

If you can't do something, you just aren't and haven't been working hard enough at it.

edit: and find videos of Javtokas before the car accident. He was every bit as athletic as Ibaka.[/QUOTE]

Well, i partially agree. But still most black people are more athletic than white while part of whites are more athletic than blacks with same amount of workout. It's genitical, whites can be more athletic than balcks, but it's more often opposite. For example could u say that some random skiny dude could get more athletical than LeBron if he did atleast bit more workout than Lebron did ? I'd say no.

I don't need videos of Javtokas, i've seen him Live so many times including record 12ft Dunk :banana:

[QUOTE=50inchvertical]Nobody said both races were equal, hell no 2 people are genetically equal; it's just not this outright thing that if you're black you're athletic automatically and if you aren't, then you aren't and nothing can be done about it.

If you can't jump high but want to, get in the weight room as well as on some plyos and you will jump high.

And yes black people do overwhelmingly pick up basketball and football more than other sports, especially the other ones you listed. Basketball is pretty much the sport of choice. Like you mention cycling and how I guess you think white people are genetically predisposed to being better at it, how many schools have a cycling program compared to schools with a basketball team?

Ask Chase Buddinger. He was born with the, what you consider to be a handicap in sports, of being white yet he wanted to be a great volleyball/basketball player and turned himself into just that. Ditto Joe Alexander.

Google Alex Maroko. He makes his millions training people who never think they can be athletic, to be athletic. Kelly Baggett is another guy to look at. Both are white as well.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_csSUFF_4U[/url]

I got a video of Alex hitting his head on the rim somewhere, I think it's in my email. I'll find it. He's 5'10 btw

Getting over the mental handicap is the first hurdle.

If you can't do something, you just aren't and haven't been working hard enough at it.

edit: and find videos of Javtokas before the car accident. He was every bit as athletic as Ibaka.[/QUOTE]


Your arguments are bad because you only mention specific players. Like Chase Buddinger.

Of course there are always exceptions. But this argument is in the dominant figures of the numbers. Like the NBA and the NFL has to be around like 85% black.

You could also find a stiff black guy and it still wouldn't fit your argument because there will always be exceptions and I'm still talking about the majority.

Majority of the NBA is black, majority of the NFL is black and these are sports where explosiveness is dominant. Same thing with short distance running, the majority of winners in these runs are also black.

And I'm not saying that you can't train yourself up to be a better athlete and become more athletic. Of course you can, but I couldn't have trained myself up to having NBA level athleticism, I promise you no matter how hard I would have trained it wouldn't have been possible.

Also it's not just about the choice of sports, in the NCAA there are plenty of white players on D1 level, yet most of these guys don't get drafted even though they've still had all the same possibilities of their black counterparts.
Again you'll probably go and mention the exception, but fact is the majority of successful D1 players are black, just like in the NBA.

You try to mention cycling as an example that it's because of the choice of sports.
Well cycling in the US is simply not big, that has a lot to do with the culture, just like with soccer.
Yet in athletics the majority of the best contestants are black, and I'm pretty sure almost every HS and college in mid-west has an athletic program where most of the guys are white.

Once again, the evidence is literally right there in front of you.

I'd like someone from the guys who's neg repped me to come up with a decent explanation to why blacks dominate sports where explosiveness is key.

I can't believe people are this blind to the reality of the difference in body genetics between blacks and whites.

It's not a bad thing, whites are dominant in other sports. But just because we're on a basketball board talking basketball doesn't mean that talking body genetics is racist.

I just want to know why there isn't even a single dominant(all star) white player in the NBA [B]who's dominance mainly comes from his athleticism[/B]?

USA played much better team ball today against Spain. Was good to see.

A lot of people are saying "sure the US players are taking contested jumpers off one on one moves.. but they're still hitting those shots and still winning, so it's okay."

However, my whole point was that if they were matched against competition with similar athleticism, they'd lose.

Like, I could play my 10 year old cousin in basketball and win by taking bad shots all day. But if I try the same against someone my age/my size I'll lose. Just because I win doesn't mean I'm playing a good style.

And as someone pointed out, it really does break down to the emphasis on individualism in our culture. Great point.

Anyone else noticing how short the commercials have been? There's like 3 commercials per time-out and that's it. No TV timeouts. Man, I like watching FIBA 10x more than watching the NBA.

Less commercials...
No superstar calls..
More physical defense..
Traveling is actually enforced..

Can't wait for Wednesdays game against Greece!

Most real basketball fans only watch FIBA, NCAA and Euroleague. Hardly any serious basketball fans even care about the NBA anymore.
Myself, I've gotten to the point where I can almost only watch the Finals, because everything else in the NBA is such crap.

Even then sometimes the Finals are mediocre basketball. But the last one was great though.

[QUOTE=Go Getter]If you look at a lot of international players it doesn't look as if they put much work in their physiques. Even when they get to the league they aren't as strong as they need to be.

My point was that all of it [physicality] isn't due to your race/color it's due to hard work.

My belief is that more foreigners would be able to play "NBA brand ball" if they hit the weights more.[/QUOTE]

In case you didn't know.........training methods in Europe are far more advanced than the ones in the NBA, including diets. Soccer clubs have invested insane money on this and they have the most advanced training and diets in pro clubs in Europe.

You can brag all you want to about the NBA and its training methods, but most NBA players break down and become useless past age 30. Or maybe that never occurred to you?

[QUOTE=DuMa]USA may not play together like a complete team like some FIBA contenders like Spain or Argentina but they are for sure contenders. USA doesnt have team chemistry like those teams but they will make up for it by effort, speed and defense.

USA has been a completely different brand of basketball for several years now apart from the contenders of FIBA/Olympic tournaments. And a new team for USA is just not going to magically form into a FIBA team after a month of playing together. Why do we still criticize them using this old ass 4-5 year old logic? i do not know. It may be an inferior 'brand' but its still an effective 'brand'. Who cares how good a team looks by crisp passing and chemistry, if you can get fcuking shit done. Outside of 04 and 06 when they didnt get gold and got bronze instead, USA has been successful everytime in FIBA play. USA is just going to try to win everytime playing their style. its the only style they know how to play.[/QUOTE]

They lost in 2002 also.

[QUOTE=ZenMaster]It's ignorant not to believe it has a great deal to do with body genetics. There's plenty of weightlifting done on European basketball teams.

What about all the great white players from the US, where are they?
Doesn't white Americans lift weights as much as the black ones? Don't they put as much overall work in as the black guys?
Are the white players in the US not as good as the black ones? Why is that?
Is it because of the great inner city basketball programs that the US consists mostly of black players?
Why are the best white players in the NBA from Europe?
Where are your white American 7-footers who's got skill like Nowitzki and Pau? Surely there must be some big white players who have talent and have the time to hit the weight rooms as much as the black American players? Or doesn't the American youth development system work for white players? If so, why not?[/QUOTE]

Because you moron...........in the US every white kid is told "you cannot play basketball, it is only a black man's game".

Every black kid in the US is told, "you can play basketball, it's your game, and all white guys suck at basketball".

[QUOTE=plowking]Once again, what has it got to do with black or white in the first place? The fact that you brought up race at all is my point. You love looking at everything in black and white.

Your opinions don't hurt my feelings, its just the fact you make everything about race (it doesn't have to be racist) and you look stupid because of it.[/QUOTE]

Props. This discussion is so stupid and circular. There are a few people on this board who automatically jump on race anytime they can, and i applaud someone calling them out because of it. And those of you who do, and get called on it, have you ever thought that possibly you might be in the wrong for doing it, and that's why you are being called out? Or is that sort of thinking beyond everyone?

[QUOTE=Go Getter]I'm not here to argue the topic you seem to want to discuss.

My point is that Euro players don't lift as much as American ones....if they do I don't see the results on the court.[/QUOTE]

Euroleague teams lift weights. What they don't do is take steroids. I think you are confusing the too.

[QUOTE=Lakas Fan Yo]Most real basketball fans only watch FIBA, NCAA and Euroleague.[B] Hardly any serious basketball fans even care about the NBA anymore.[/B]
Myself, I've gotten to the point where I can almost only watch the Finals, because everything else in the NBA is such crap.

Even then sometimes the Finals are mediocre basketball. But the last one was great though.[/QUOTE]

I guess the players you look up to in the euroleauge count as non serious basketball fans.

[QUOTE=Go Getter]They do [from my knowledge].

Athleticism is more than just running and jumping though.

Most euro players that come over here are weak by NBA standards and that can be simply solved with a good weight training program.

I'm not saying the players in question will run like Wall and jump like prime VC but the gap in athleticism would shrink.[/QUOTE]

Seriously...........WTF is wrong with you?

[QUOTE=ZenMaster]If they do, where are all the great white US players? In the US they're going through the same training as black US players, so why are the best players in the US black? Why is there a gap in the overall athleticism between white and black US players when they are in the same system with the same training and en equal opportunity to lift weights?[/QUOTE]

Your racism is a bit much.....even for this forum.

[QUOTE=Lakas Fan Yo]Because you moron...........in the US every white kid is told "you cannot play basketball, it is only a black man's game".

Every black kid in the US is told, "you can play basketball, it's your game, and all white guys suck at basketball".[/QUOTE]

lol what? "Every kid gets told", how do you even come up with this stuff...?

[QUOTE=brantonli]But how about the European players who come to the NBA? Granted there's Manu who surprises everybody with a jam now and then, but then guys like Nowitzki, Nash (if he can be counted), Scola, Peja. I have never noticed those guys developing athletically.[/QUOTE]

Are you actually saying that those are athletic players by Euroleague standards? Other than Manu, every guy you mention is well below average athletic level in the Euroleague.