Peak Alonzo Mourning or Peak Dwight Howard

[QUOTE=LAClipsFan33]And all those guys are better than Dwight[/QUOTE]

:oldlol: at Mutombo being a better player than Dwight.

[QUOTE=tontoz]Howard can't score outside 5 feet. that is why his playoff performances have been so lame. Against this eras weak crop of centers it is pretty easy for him to get to the rim, either on drives or follow ups.



It is a lot easier to get rebounds next to Rashard than it would be next to Boozer. Each rebound Boozer gets is one less rebound Howard could have gotten.

Why do you think Howards rebounding shot up as soon as Lewis signed?[/QUOTE]

Because he signed in '07. That was when Dwight started to become what he is today.

Also, they didn't shoot up. They went from 12.3, to 14.2. That's 1.9 more.

[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]:oldlol: at Mutombo being a better player than Dwight.[/QUOTE]

U forgot how the first guy initially put Deke over Zo and how laughable that is. Ow and then saying it was a mistake after everyone started correcting his dumbass
:roll:

[QUOTE=Dwade305]U forgot how the first guy initially put Deke over Zo and how laughable that is. Ow and then saying it was a mistake after everyone started correcting his dumbass
:roll:[/QUOTE]

It was a mistake whether you want to believe that or not.

Also, this coming from a guy who was proud of Zo beating out a 20-year old Dwight Howard? LOLOL, EDIT: Pathetic.

[QUOTE=zORi]It was a mistake whether you want to believe that or not.

Also, this coming from a guy who was proud of Zo beating out a 20-year old Dwight Howard? LOLOL, sad.[/QUOTE]


Really? What has really changed drastically( besides Muscle mass) in Dwights game since he was 20? What would lead you to believe it would have been a different story if Dwight was 25 and had the same post moves?

[QUOTE=zORi]Because he signed in '07. That was when Dwight started to become what he is today.

Also, they didn't shoot up. They went from 12.3, to 14.2. That's 1.9 more.[/QUOTE]


A 15% increase in one year is a big jump.

Funny how you talk about 07 as when Dwight stepped up. Did it ever occur to you that a less crowded lane might benefit his numbers? With Lewis camped at the 3 pt line his defender will have to respect his shot. that is one less guy who can quickly double Howard.

[QUOTE=Dwade305]Really? What has really changed drastically( besides Muscle mass) in Dwights game since he was 20? What would lead you to believe it would have been a different story if Dwight was 25 and had the same post moves?[/QUOTE]

Not to mention, Dwight was a [B]#1[/B] pick for a reason, not exactly some late first rounder who's blossomed into a star, and Mourning was what a few years away from being 40 years old. It's not an end-all be-all game, but still impressive on Mournings part.

olajuwon, robinson, o'neal and mourning are a lot better than howard.
then, olajuwon, robinson, mourning and mutombo are better defensive players than howard. not even to mention others great defenders of the 90's who were not centers...
that shows the value of his 2 DPOY...the league sucks.

Dwight is more physically blessed

but Alonzo was better, no matter what the stats say.

Mourning was a terror on the defensive end, a true warrior. I can't say the same thing about Dwight Howard. I think Howard would have got rocked in a different era, when the center position was far better throughout the league (Shaq, Hakeem, D-Rob, Smits, Ewing, Mutumbo, Divac etc. ..and can't forget Big Country Reeves!:rockon:

[QUOTE=tontoz]A 15% increase in one year is a big jump.

Funny how you talk about 07 as when Dwight stepped up. Did it ever occur to you that a less crowded lane might benefit his numbers? With Lewis camped at the 3 pt line his defender will have to respect his shot. that is one less guy who can quickly double Howard.[/QUOTE]

Of course that helped, but he was bound to be better than the year before, that much is obvious. Just for the sheer experience, if nothing else.

How about from his rookie to sophomore year when he went from 10-12.5? 1.9 more rebounds isn't all that drastic as you made it out to be.

[QUOTE=Dwade305]Really? What has really changed drastically( besides Muscle mass) in Dwights game since he was 20? What would lead you to believe it would have been a different story if Dwight was 25 and had the same post moves?[/QUOTE]

Please tell me you're joking.

Second, Dwight isn't even 25 now, so we wouldn't know.

I'd take a peak Zo.

[QUOTE=zORi]Please tell me you're joking.

Second, Dwight isn't even 25 now, so we wouldn't know.[/QUOTE]


Explain his improvement/s or at least try. I dont care/know how old Dwight is now, im just giving an example, since your bringing age as a determining factor why Dwight was treated like shyt that game.

[QUOTE=SCdac]I'd take the guy who was naturally a better offensive player, meaning he was more comfortable/expected to take closer to 15 or more shots a game, versus maybe 10-12 shots a game which I feel Howard is more prone to with Orlando still being a competitor. Shot blocking I feel is close to a wash, but I can't see Mourning in his peak being reduced to having a 1-6 FG game in the Finals against Pau and Bynum, even though I don't consider him an elite offensive player (he had his fair share of low scoring games too). Mourning had a usage-% of nearly 30% in that playoff run, and generally had a higher % (than Howard's playoff runs) in every post season prior to that. Mourning was also sharing boards with a solid big man in PJ Brown who averaged roughly 10 boards in the RS, and 8 boards in the post season. On Howard's team, there's really nobody even close to approaching those averages on rebounds, his starting PF averages about 5-7 three point attempts per game, and hangs around on the perimeter. I hate talking raw numbers though, it turns into more of a fantasy-debate (arguing over over miniscule differences in stats). Mourning I feel was just the better, smarter, more aggressive and tougher player, even if his team-results weren't wowing. Still though, he won a championship averaging over a block a game in about 10 minutes per at a pretty old age (which is irrelevant in this thread, but still an achievement).[/QUOTE]
Game, set, and match.

[QUOTE=Dwade305]Explain his improvement/s or at least try. I dont care/know how old Dwight is now, im just giving an example, since your bringing age as a determining factor why Dwight was treated like shyt that game.[/QUOTE]

First of all, like you said, mass was a determining factor .

He also didn't have his hook shot down consistently, nor was he cutting off passing lanes as effectively. He wasn't as smart of a player as he is now, in general, while Zo was the exact opposite.

EDIT: For the record here, I would actually take a Prime Zo as well. But to say that Dwight is no where near Zo (and never will be) and calling his offense "Pathetic" and all that is ridiculous. That's why I'm standing up for him, but yeah, prime Zo was actually a better player than Dwight has been [I]so far[/I].