Do people believe Kobe's personality is contrived?

[QUOTE=Phong]Sure do it. Proof never hurt anybody. It's always better than spewing your bias and pretend that proofs won't matter because of some fanatics.[/QUOTE]

There is proof that Bryant quit in that Game 7 by simply WATCHING THE SECOND HALF, yet people still deny that. Again, video evidence, denial.
People who worship athletes will find a way to ignore/minimize/make excuses for anything, even with video evidence.

[QUOTE]You are stupid. It's common knowledge that he berates the refs and gets the least punishment while other players who have garnered a rep cannot utter a single word without one coming(sheed). Why ask for proof? You do watch the games right? In fact, I have seen where Fisher or another teammate of his gets a tech instead of Kobe. Keep pretending as if you don't know what he's talking about.[/QUOTE]

This is what's so annoying about these people. It's as obvious as a punch in the face, but they're still going to pretend that anyone who notices is "just biased" while not even considering that maybe, just maybe THEY'RE even more biased considering their team/player loyalties. Like I said, I love Duncan but his whining is annoying at times. I can admit that. These people can't.

Kobe is that x 100. But they want to keep pretending that it's just a matter of interpretation of what's going on. What a joke.

I love that "contrived" part of Kobe's personality. It's like he takes everything on the court personally. I saw that entire Houston-LA series last year and it was within the intensity of the game. Before the series started everybody was talking about how Artest/Battier were the kobe stoppers and how Houston was going to take it at least 7 (they did). Do you think Kobe doesn't hear all of that and use it as motivation?

The cockiness, the arrogance, shrewdness with the media, all part of his persona.

[QUOTE=PowerGlove]I hate Kobe he's an ***hole.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knoe Itawl]I hate him...Kobe sucks. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=andgar923]I hate Kobe, he is too fake.[/QUOTE]


Wouldn't it be much easier to get to the point without the unbearably long essays?

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[QUOTE=PowerGlove]You are stupid. It's common knowledge that he berates the refs and gets the least punishment while other players who have garnered a rep cannot utter a single word without one coming(sheed). Why ask for proof? You do watch the games right? In fact, I have seen where Fisher or another teammate of his gets a tech instead of Kobe. Keep pretending as if you don't know what he's talking about.[/QUOTE]Why ask for proof? Because you claim your opinion as facts and have nothing to back it up except other opinions and whatever "common knowledge" is. If indeed he's the players who receives the least punishment for his actions it should be quite easy to prove it. Do you have a stats somewhere with "fouls/techs that should have been called but were not" showing Kobe is getting a free pass more than anybody in the league?

And yes I watched every single Lakers game this past-season. Have you?

[QUOTE=Connoisseur]How do you know which emotions are contrived or not? More importantly, why does it matter?

It seems like people always want to point out irrelevant flaws in another because they hate that aspect in themselves, it's like a reflection of insecurity.

It's obvious Kobe had a difficult time developing his social skills at an early age due to his nerd-like obsession with the game of basketball. The man isn't exactly the most charming human being, but he's not doing a bad job of trying not to be full of contrivance, either.[/QUOTE]

How do I know? That has already been explained in the thread. Redundant question.

Why does it matter? I dont know, why dont you tell me? You're the one defending him when it's painfully obvious that most of them are contrived.

No, no one in this thread is pointing out irrelevant flaws, we are just truthfully answering the OP's question. I wouldn't be talking about Kobe's personality if this thread wasn't made so I don't know what you're talking about.

I understand that Kobe was shy because how dedicated he was to basketball and all that, but usually people grow out of that. He seems to be doing that to me, that's why I said some of his personality is contrived.

[QUOTE=jstern]Though I was a Kobe fan when he came into the league, he did seem somewhat fake, but I had absoulute no problems with that. By fake I don't mean completely copying Jordan's moves and manerisms, but also in the "I'm fearless" kind of talk that other people talk about Jordan. It was as if he was forcing himself, or trying to live a fantasy that he's Michael Jordan. It's really hard to explain, and though it all seems negative, I'm really not knocking him for it. Really hard to explain, just that Kobe didn't feel natural, original. Again, I had no bias towards Kobe then, but there was this commercial back then where he's talking about his creativity, and not having any bias, actually being a fan it kind of threw me off. I thought it was a weird commercial, since I didn't associate Kobe with originality.

It makes sense that a person with that type of personality is successful in the NBA.[/QUOTE]

Ironically, Kobe distinguished himself and manifested his own personal style despite his desire to mimic Jordan's success, whether he knows it or not. I think Kobe is way more graceful and fluid than Jordan ever was. It's like he plays at a slower pace than everyone else on the court, methodically and surgically picking apart the defense in bullet-time. His jumper/range has also become almost unanimously acknowledged as superior to Jordan's.

Just saying what needs to be said because people are all too eager to discredit and downplay Kobe's place and impact in the history of basketball.

[QUOTE=Knoe Itawl]There is proof that Bryant quit in that Game 7 by simply WATCHING THE SECOND HALF, yet people still deny that. Again, video evidence, denial.
People who worship athletes will find a way to ignore/minimize/make excuses for anything, even with video evidence.



This is what's so annoying about these people. It's as obvious as a punch in the face, but they're still going to pretend that anyone who notices is "just biased" while not even considering that maybe, just maybe THEY'RE even more biased considering their team/player loyalties. Like I said, I love Duncan but his whining is annoying at times.

Kobe is that x 100. But they want to keep pretending that it's just a matter of interpretation of what's going on. What a joke.[/QUOTE]

Speaking of jokes and being contrived, let's look at you and your supposed 'love for the game of basketball'. I'm pretty sure you reference this apparent 'love for the game of basketball' in a good portion of your posts, yet you're on a basketball message board, and you never really discuss basketball. You're too busy writing 3000+ essays about why Kobe Bryant is overrated, an awful person, terrible personality, choker, etc. You watch the game of basketball solely in hopes of seeing Kobe Bryant fail. Some fan of the game you are. :roll:

[QUOTE=Connoisseur]Ironically, Kobe distinguished himself and manifested his own personal style despite his desire to mimic Jordan's success, whether he knows it or not. I think Kobe is way more graceful and fluid than Jordan ever was. It's like he plays at a slower pace than everyone else on the court, methodically and surgically picking apart the defense in bullet-time. His jumper/range has also become almost unanimously acknowledged as superior to Jordan's.

Just saying what needs to be said because people are all too eager to discredit and downplay Kobe's place and impact in the history of basketball.[/QUOTE]

Beautifully put.

Excellent post.

Post of the thread.

Genius.

[QUOTE=Connoisseur]His jumper/range has also become almost unanimously acknowledged as superior to Jordan's.[/QUOTE]
This is true if you're referring to Kobe's perimeter game.

[QUOTE=AK47DR91]This is true if you're referring to Kobe's perimeter game.[/QUOTE]

I am glad but saddened that it took all these years for people to realize that Kobe's perimeter game is better than MJ's.

[QUOTE=TheLogo]I am glad but saddened that it took all these years for people to realize that Kobe's perimeter game is better than MJ's.[/QUOTE]

Not me, I gave him that recognition back in 2006 and I am a Kobe-hate.

I mean I still dislike the guy but I can't deny how great his perimeter range is compared to MJ, as well as other all-time greats.

[QUOTE=AK47DR91]Not me, I gave him that recognition back in 2006 and I am a Kobe-hate.

I mean I still dislike the guy but I can't deny how great his perimeter range is compared to MJ, as well as other all-time greats.[/QUOTE]

You have very good knowledge in the game of basketball and I wish there were more like you.

:cheers:

This thread made me :facepalm

The crazy about this article is that the same thing has been said for YEARS. Kobe trying way to hard to be MJ is nothing new. On one hand, it works because he has the talent to back it up. On the other hand, it really makes you wonder what kind of person he is. Rather, what kind of person he wants you to believe he is. It's almost like he wants the MJ comparisons to be so close that no one knows the difference:oldlol:

I don't really feel sorry for him, but I wish he would have had a true legacy. Obviously his stats and play are based off his talents on the court, but the way he goes about it is way too deja-vu for me.

[QUOTE=TheLogo]You have very good knowledge in the game of basketball and I wish there were more like you.

:cheers:[/QUOTE]
hmmmm....




Hey TheLogo, I think Kobe is the GOAT!