[QUOTE=Willkill24]Kobe is the best of his generation and possibly top 6 player at end of his career.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Willkill24]Kobe is the best of his generation and possibly top 6 player at end of his career.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Glide2keva]Now we have the shaq excuse.[/QUOTE]
Hmm one of his 30 point seasons was with Shaq and that season was his second career highest in FGA's at 23 per game...that damn Shaq hurt Kobe's legacy:roll:
Kobe's legacy without 3 chips???? Hmmm makes me wonder..can we say Dominique Wikins
[QUOTE=Calabis]How quick these young morons forget, how many times he sat out on special nights "the shrug" sat out the last 6 1/2 minutes of the first half, took only four shots in second half....if that was Kobe he would have asked to stay in and keep chucking...:eek:
Let me know when Kobe avg's 40 in the finals[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Kobe and Jordan had different mentalities. I just find it odd that a guy that can throw up 81 hasn't been able to score 51 in the playoffs. No, I don't. I know why. It's because teams have pride in the playoffs, even in the first round. And typically, to win playoff games the best player has to do more than stand behind the 3pt line waiting on teammates to feed him the ball. So this negates a lot of what Kobe's able to do in the regular season.
[QUOTE=Calabis]Yeah Kobe can just go on tears that Jordan never could.....Jordan 8(9 if you want to round off) 30 point seasons, Kobe 2.....yeah I see what your getting at with this great 3 pointer (Jordan .327/Kobe .340) yup real huge...playoffs (Jordan .332/ Kobe .337)[/QUOTE]
How is a 30ppg season an explosion?:oldlol: We're talking about big games here buddy and kobe's elite scoring games are better. It's just a fact. And lol at your 3pt argument acting like kobe doesn't have twice as many 3 balls made than jordan. Reachin hard my man but the facts remain. Kobe had more range than jordan and was a better shooter (and had better elite scoring games~best the league has ever seen since wilt).
[QUOTE=Calabis]Hmm one of his 30 point seasons was with Shaq and that season was his second career highest in FGA's at 23 per game...that damn Shaq hurt Kobe's legacy:roll:
Kobe's legacy without 3 chips???? Hmmm makes me wonder..can we say Dominique Wikins[/QUOTE]
Uh... he has two other chips and will likely have more but going with your hypothetical, jordan would be 'nique 2.0 with no rings.
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5 time champion and really he should of won in 03/04/08 so you could call him an 8 time champion and the GOAT IMO.
[QUOTE=asdf1990]why do ppl keep saying kobe is a better scorer than jordan? last time i checked jordan has the highes ppg average in the regular season and the playoffs. He has more scoring titles, higher single season ppg.[/QUOTE]
No surprise. Jordan was the biggest ballhog in NBA history, dude led the league in jacking up shots a recorded 9 times and averaged 24 fg attempts per game for his career! But that's not all!
He shots the ball 49 times in one game, in 15 years he shot the ball..24,567 times a record for a 15 year career!
He had seasons' of 25 FG attempt's, 28 FG attempts and 24 FG attempts per game.
Doug Collins wanted MJ to pass more and MJ had Doug fired!!!! (this was before Pippen emerged as the facilitator)
[QUOTE=Da_Realist]Exactly. Kobe and Jordan had different mentalities. I just find it odd that a guy that can throw up 81 hasn't been able to score 51 in the playoffs. No, I don't. I know why. It's because teams have pride in the playoffs, even in the first round. And typically, to win playoff games the best player has to do more than stand behind the 3pt line waiting on teammates to feed him the ball. So this negates a lot of what Kobe's able to do in the regular season.[/QUOTE]
What is this retard spewing? Kobe has been the consensus most clutch player in the league the whole decade in the reg season and in the playoffs. Can't believe you just insulted kobe on some clutch shit. You need some reading up seriously.
[QUOTE=Ne 1]Doug Collins wanted MJ to pass more and MJ had Doug fired!!!! (this was before Pippen emerged as the facilitator)[/QUOTE]
So why didn't he get Phil Jackson fired? Doug installed a "Give the ball to Michael and get the hell out of the way" offense. Phil wanted to have more people make decisions with the ball. Yet MJ wanted Collins fired, but he LOVED Phil Jackson. Even threatened the Bulls with retirement if they fired Phil Jackson in the late 90's. Doesn't make sense.
[QUOTE=tpols]What is this retard spewing? Kobe has been the consensus most clutch player in the league the whole decade in the reg season and in the playoffs. Can't believe you just insulted kobe on some clutch shit. You need some reading up seriously.[/QUOTE]
Yep U Mad
[QUOTE=Glide2keva]Yep U Mad[/QUOTE]
This is what jordan fans resort to.:oldlol: :applause:
[QUOTE=Da_Realist]So why didn't he get Phil Jackson fired? Doug installed a "Give the ball to Michael and get the hell out of the way" offense. Phil wanted to have more people make decisions with the ball. Yet MJ wanted Collins fired, but he LOVED Phil Jackson. Even threatened the Bulls with retirement if they fired Phil Jackson in the late 90's. Doesn't make sense.[/QUOTE]
Nothing they ever say makes any sense. They take small things or rumors and try to pass it off as fact.
Saying Jordan didn't want to pass the ball is beyond stupid. In 89, with Doug Collins as the coach he played Jordan at point guard for 11 games. Jordan only went on to record 7 straight triple doubles or so and 10 in 11 games, while averaging over 40 points per game during that stretch. But yeah, he wanted to ball hog and got him fired.
[QUOTE]Kobe's legacy without 3 chips???? Hmmm makes me wonder..can we say Dominique Wikins[/QUOTE]
Jordan's legacy without 6 chips? Bald-headed Dominique Wilkins. Jordan was actually well on his way to a career like Wilkins with flashy dunks but no rings before Pippen. He was 1-9 in the playoffs and never got past the 1st round! :oldlol:
[QUOTE=tpols]This is what jordan fans resort to.:oldlol: :applause:[/QUOTE]
Just felt like doing it. You guys are getting owned left and right and it's funny. You are pissed that Jordan trumps Kobe on every level.
1996 NBA Finals
Bulls 4, Sonics 2
GM1: 9-18 FG (50%), 9-10 FT, 28 PTS, 7 REB, 2 AST, 2 TO
GM2: 9-22 FG (40.9%), 10-16 FT, 29 PTS, 6 REB, 8 AST, 2 TO
GM3: 11-23 FG (47.8%), 11-11 FT, 36 PTS, 3 REB, 5 AST, 3 TO
GM4: 6-19 FG (31.6%), 11-13 FT, 23 PTS, 3 REB, 2 AST, 4 TO
GM5: 11-22 FG (50%), 4-5 FT, 26 PTS, 4 REB, 1 AST, 2 TO
GM6: 5-19 FG (26.3%), 11-12 FT, 22 PTS, 9 REB, 7 AST, 5 TO
AVERAGES: 51-123 FG (41.5%), 56-67 FT (83.6%), 27.3 PPG, 5.3 RPG, 4.2 APG, 3.00 TO, 20.5 FGA per game
1997 NBA Finals
Bulls 4, Jazz 2
GM1: 13-27 FG (48.1%), 5-7 FT, 31 PTS, 4 REB, 8 AST, 0 TO
GM2: 11-20 FG (55%), 15-21 FT, 38 PTS, 13 REB, 9 AST, 5 TO
GM3: 9-22 FG (40.9%), 4-5 FT, 26 PTS, 3 REB, 6 AST, 1 TO
GM4: 11-27 FG (40.7%), 0-0 FT, 22 PTS, 4 REB, 4 AST, 3 TO
GM5: 13-27 FG (48.2%), 10-12 FT, 38 PTS, 7 REB, 5 AST, 3 TO
GM6: 15-35 FG (42.9%), 8-10 FT, 39 PTS, 11 REB, 4 AST, 1 TO
AVERAGES: 72-158 FG (45.6%), 42-55 FT (76.4%), 32.3 PPG, 7.0 RPG, 6.0 APG, 2.17 TO, 26.3 FGA per game
1998 NBA Finals
Bulls 4, Jazz 2
GM1: 13-29 FG (44.8%), 6-8 FT, 33 PTS, 3 REB, 2 AST, 0 TO
GM2: 14-33 FG (42.4%), 9-10 FT, 37 PTS, 5 REB, 3 AST, 0 TO
GM3: 7-14 FG (50%), 10-11 FT, 24 PTS, 3 REB, 2 AST, 2 TO
GM4: 12-27 FG (44.4%), 10-15 FT, 34 PTS, 8 REB, 2 AST, 3 TO
GM5: 9-26 FG (34.6%), 10-11 FT, 28 PTS, 4 REB, 4 AST, 4 TO
GM6: 15-35 FG (42.9%), 12-15 FT, 45 PTS, 1 REB, 1 AST, 1 TO
AVERAGES: 70-164 FG (42.7%), 57-70 FT (81.4%), 33.5 PPG, 4 RPG, 2.3 APG, 1.67 TO, 27.3 FGA per game
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Just a few things:
1) The number of shots taken, compared to the amount of points scored, must not be that big of a deal when Michael Jordan shoots the ball. In 21 of the 34 games, Jordan had no more than seven points over his shot attempts that game.
2) Despite winning two season MVP's in two of the last three championships seasons (1996 and 1998), Jordan's field goal percentages were fairly low, especially for a guy taking 26-27 shots per game.
3) Jordan attempted over 25 shots per game four years, and actually launched over 33 shots per game in 1993. He never attempted less than 20 shots per game in six Finals appearances.
4) In six of Jordan's 34 Finals games, he missed five or more free throws. In other words, on average, there was one Finals game in each season where Jordan, being a career 83.5% free throw shooter, missed five or six free throws.
Also, Jordan matched or exceeded his career free throw shooting percentage just three times in six of his Finals appearances.
5) Jordan's assists, over a combined 34 Finals games, comes to 5.97 APG. He averaged 2.83 turnovers per game. For every two assists, he threw an average of approximately one turnover per game.
Just some things to chew on, and to have for future references when discussing NBA Finals performances, shooting percentages, turnovers, missed free throws, etc.
With all the articles blasting Bryant and his shot attempts and Finals performances, it might be good to look back on someone who was rarely criticized for anything he ever did.