Major misconceptions regarding the labor dispute between Owners and NBA's Players

[QUOTE=iamgine]Well they're not equally run though.[/QUOTE]

And the results show that. Market size hasn't held SA back, nor has it helped NY or LAC.

[QUOTE=Sarcastic]And the results show that. Market size hasn't held SA back, nor has it helped NY or LAC.[/QUOTE]
But that's not the question.

[I]But when equally run, is the difference significant? I think that's what people want, to make the difference in advantage as low as possible.[/I]

[QUOTE=iamgine]But that's not the question.

[I]But when equally run, is the difference significant? I think that's what people want, to make the difference in advantage as low as possible.[/I][/QUOTE]

Reality is life isn't fair. Owners of big market teams knew what they were doing. If you are going to buy a small market team you better be prepared to go above and beyond on quality and getting a winning organization if you want to contend with the big boys. Look at what Oklahoma City is doing right now? They have proven you can build a high quality, low market franchise from the ground up quickly. They have EXCELLENT fans and attendance numbers and they are the talk of the town and a top story in the NBA. They have only been in OKC 3 years too.

Instead of these small market teams crying foul... do something about it. Make your team more desirable. Make your team competitive. How many players have said they LOVE playing for the Spurs and would never leave? San Antonio doesn't have to beg anyone to stay and from hopping ship to the Lakers, Knicks or Celtics.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Reality is life isn't fair.... [/QUOTE]
I think this is more about making a system where the difference in advantage is as low as possible. That can indeed be changed.

[QUOTE=2LeTTeRS]Wanted to bump this thread after I've seen more and more talk about the Owners not being united, with some having no interest in implementing a hard cap. This is the first signs that the Ownership are nowhere near as united as David Stern would like for us to believe. Now that some pre-season activites have been cancelled there are only a few more weeks to go until games will start being cancelled.

Stay tuned.[/QUOTE]

Gee, I wonder which teams are against a hard cap... :oldlol:

[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]Gee, I wonder which teams are against a hard cap... :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

The same teams that are against full revenue sharing I'm sure.

[QUOTE=2LeTTeRS]History doesn't suggest Stern will get most of what he's demanding. I want to enter this profession so I study it religiously. What I've noticed is Stern talks tough like this every time there a CBA is about to expire, and media members and fans eat it up, believing that Stern is this all-powerful dictatorial leader and that the players will yield to anything that he wants.

The problem is that unlike the picture the media portrays, the NBA has a very strong union. Billy Hunter is a solid leader who is not going to bow down to Stern. The NBA is the sports league where the players are more visible than any other sport and because of that it is very much a player-driven league. I don't see huge sweeping changes happening.

Yes I know, it it sounds good in theory but unfortunately that

[QUOTE=Math2]:wtf: Age limit of 19?!?!? Great, more and more busts, more failed prospects, and YAY! MOre dilution![/QUOTE]

Have you been asleep for the last 5 years? That was already implemented in the renewal of the CBA in 2006. Just one of the many things that the owners have won in their negotiations.

Also if teams don't like the idea of drafting young kids, then there is nothing forcing them to do so. I mean drafting Dwight Howard at 18 was clearly the wrong thing to do, and the Magic should have taken Emeka Okafor with all his college experience.

[QUOTE=iamgine]I think this is more about making a system where the difference in advantage is as low as possible. That can indeed be changed.[/QUOTE]

It will never be because no one wants to play in Cleveland, Milwaukee, Sacramento, etc unless they have to.

If you implement a hard cap system, it may end up having a completely counter intuitive effect, and the big market teams may become even more desirable as the players may seek new revenue streams and look to the big markets to secure endorsement deals.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Indiana the decade before are great examples of smaller market teams being run very well and excelling to compete with big market teams.[/QUOTE]

And yet Indiana couldn't get out of the red the whole damn time Miller was there. How can a team, who did everything right, still lose money.

ANd how could the clippers, who did everything wrong, make Donald Sterling richer

[QUOTE=gasolina]And yet Indiana couldn't get out of the red the whole damn time Miller was there. How can a team, who did everything right, still lose money.

ANd how could the clippers, who did everything wrong, make Donald Sterling richer[/QUOTE]

How do you know they were losing money in the 1990s? Is the NBA suggesting it has never made money?

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Look at what Oklahoma City is doing right now? They have proven you can build a high quality, low market franchise from the ground up quickly. They have EXCELLENT fans and attendance numbers and they are the talk of the town and a top story in the NBA. They have only been in OKC 3 years too.[/QUOTE]
The OKC thunder is a good team to look out for. Remember the mid 90's charlotte hornets. They were selling out arenas with LJ, Zo, and Muggsy. but after the LJ / Zo breakup everything went downhill.

It's nice to see how OKC goes from here. They have the perfect superstar who I think is quite content in OKC (unlike LJ and Zo). In fact, I'm willing to say Durant is the new Duncan in terms of attitude.

Let's see how other small market stars did in recent years.

1. Kevin Garnett - bled blue and green until the end. However, the team did some boneheaded moves that cost him his prime.
2. Glen Robinson - held out against the Bucks as a rookie. Possibly set the Bucks back more than any other player
3. Ray Allen - can't remember what happened here but I thought they traded him for old-ass GP instead of losing him for nothing.
4. Tmac - got an S&T to play with Yao in Houston. Wasn't sure if there was any pressure of losing him for nothing.
5. Carmelo - nuff said. To make matters worse, the Nuggets arguably had the better team.
6. Allan Houston - ditched Detroit to be the man in New York. Read somewhere there was some controversy here.
7. Michael Redd - used Cleveland to get a bigger contract extension w/ the Bucks

And the list goes on and on. Fact is, if your'e a small market team, you need a superstar who is willing to stick with your team and then good management to build a good team around to be successful.

On the flipside, if you're New York, you don't need to do anything to get good players, they just wanna come to you. And the Bonus? You can afford them!

Just want that advantage be a little less pronounced.

[QUOTE=Sarcastic]How do you know they were losing money in the 1990s? Is the NBA suggesting it has never made money?[/QUOTE]
Thank god this sin't from Forbes
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[QUOTE=Sarcastic]the big market teams may become even more desirable as the players may seek new revenue streams and look to the big markets to secure endorsement deals.[/QUOTE]
But the big markets can't pay all players who want to come to them PRECISELY from the hard cap.

That is what's happening now. Everyone wants to play for the Lakers and Dallas, and because of the soft cap, they can do so.

How can that be counter-intuitive?

[QUOTE=gasolina]But the big markets can't pay all players who want to come to them PRECISELY from the hard cap.

That is what's happening now. Everyone wants to play for the Lakers and Dallas, and because of the soft cap, they can do so.

How can that be counter-intuitive?[/QUOTE]

Who are the small market players that left and went to LA and Dallas? Almost all the players they have were acquired through drafts and trades. At least all the big names they have. Superstars almost never leave the original team that drafted them. NBA has probably the least amount of superstar movement in all the sports leagues.