That dunk didn't impress me at all.
If you want to show off Kobe's athleticism, then show that video where he destroys Okafor. I still can't believe he had that in him.
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That dunk didn't impress me at all.
If you want to show off Kobe's athleticism, then show that video where he destroys Okafor. I still can't believe he had that in him.
[QUOTE=catch24]Not really. When you factor in FT shooting and shots from 10-15 FT (volume has to be put into context), LeBron really hasn't.[/quote]
10-11 LeBron shot 45% from 10-15 feet to Kobe's 48% the last 5 seasons. Minor difference. Compare that to the 5% edge 10-11 LeBron has from 16-23 feet over Kobe the last 5 seasons.
10-11 LeBron compares VERY WELL against all version of Kobe jump-shot wise. It's completely stupid to say Kobe's on a different level anymore. He may have been before, but LeBron's made major inroads over the last year or so. That's how he survived in 10-11.
[QUOTE=LA_Showtime]His fingers haven't really hindered his shot. I do believe his 3 point shooting percentage has gone down, though. It'd be nice if Kobe just took threes completely out of his game.
His injuries have noticeably affected his ball handling. It's quite sad. I'd say he's an average ball handler at best these days. At one point it was what separated himself from guys like Vince Carter (that is, before Kobe became a more well rounded player and Vince fell off a cliff).[/QUOTE]
Agreed. He can't take threes out of his game because the Lakers don't have anyone else to get threes off consistently. They also have a ton of post players. In a perfect world Kobe would've moved to the wing and post last year and stayed.
Instead he had to spend it out on the perimeter, trying to playmake and get into the lane for the team when he doesn't have the body for that anymore.
I don't think his finger does that much either judging from his shooting in the '10 playoffs. I think it was his legs, knees, and ankles that contributed to his relatively poor 3 point shooting.
[QUOTE=catch24]How do you figure when Kobe shoots about 7% better from midrange, and the FT line, while LeBron has Kobe beat from 16-23 FT by a few percentages?[/QUOTE]
This is where stats get a little ridiculous. 7 percent? Really? Watch the games. At no point do I watch Kobe and think "Man, what a great shooter." The same goes for LeBron. Both are prone to take really bad shots and put up a lot of misses. There's not a lot of difference. It's like asking which player is better at getting assists Russell Westbrook or Derrick Rose?
[QUOTE=Indian guy]10-11 LeBron shot 45% from 10-15 feet to Kobe's 48% the last 5 seasons.
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On what volume? If LeBron takes 1 shot from there then yeah, its a big difference.
[QUOTE=KenneBell]On what volume? If LeBron takes 1 shot from there then yeah, its a big difference.[/QUOTE]
LeBron averages 1.5 to Kobe's 3. Neither shoots much from that range.
[QUOTE=KenneBell]Agreed. He can't take threes out of his game because the Lakers don't have anyone else to get threes off consistently. They also have a ton of post players. In a perfect world Kobe would've moved to the wing and post last year and stayed.
Instead he had to spend it out on the perimeter, trying to playmake and get into the lane for the team when he doesn't have the body for that anymore.
I don't think his finger does that much either judging from his shooting in the '10 playoffs. I think it was his legs, knees, and ankles that contributed to his relatively poor 3 point shooting.[/QUOTE]
Kobe takes a lot of bad threes that aren't in the context of the offense and are either off balance or heavily guarded. I have no problem with him taking threes to extend the defense if the opportunity presents itself.
Yeah, despite all the hype around his ankle injury I think that drastically affected his play, and is also why he was so mellow after the Lakers got eliminated. He didn't drive to the hoop at all after sustaining the injury.
[QUOTE=Indian guy]LeBron averages 1.5 to Kobe's 3. Neither shoots much from that range.[/QUOTE]
Had to check for myself. Among perimeter players, no one took more mid range shots than Kobe, he was only behind Dirk and Elton brand and at 52% he shot better than anyone with any regular volume of those shots...
[QUOTE=Indian guy]10-11 LeBron shot 45% from 10-15 feet to Kobe's 48% the last 5 seasons. Minor difference. Compare that to the 5% edge 10-11 LeBron has from 16-23 feet over Kobe the last 5 seasons.
10-11 LeBron compares VERY WELL against all version of Kobe jump-shot wise. It's completely stupid to say Kobe's on a different level anymore. He may have been before, but LeBron's made major inroads over the last year or so. That's how he survived in 10-11.[/QUOTE]
That's not a minor difference when Kobe, on average, has shot 3-4 attempts from 10-15 to LeBron's 1.
[I]LeBron from 16-23 FT[/I]:
10: 40%
09: 40%
08: 37%
07: 34%
[I]Kobe from 16-23 FT[/I]
10: 41%
09: 42%
08: 38%
07: 42%
Again, what stats are you looking at? You have got to be completely clueless to think LeBron is in Kobe's league when it pertains to shooting. Kobe beats him comfortably in FT, mid range, and long range shooting, [I]combined[/I], for their careers.
[url]http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=LeBron%20James[/url]
[url]http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Kobe%20Bryant[/url]
[QUOTE=Indian guy]LeBron averages 1.5 to Kobe's 3. Neither shoots much from that range.[/QUOTE]
That's a significant difference actually. That's like Bird attempting 2/3PA to Millers 0.5...
[QUOTE=Kurosawa0]This is where stats get a little ridiculous. 7 percent? Really? Watch the games. At no point do I watch Kobe and think "Man, what a great shooter." The same goes for LeBron. Both are prone to take really bad shots and put up a lot of misses. There's not a lot of difference. It's like asking which player is better at getting assists Russell Westbrook or Derrick Rose?[/QUOTE]
Yes, 7 % difference, really. I do watch the games, the stats back up what I see.
[url]http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=LeBron%20James[/url]
[url]http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Kobe%20Bryant[/url]
Educate yourself.
[QUOTE=catch24]That's not a minor difference when Kobe, on average, has shot 3-4 attempts from 10-15 to LeBron's 1.[/quote]
1.5 to Kobe's 3.
[quote]Again, what stats are you looking at? You have got to be completely clueless to think LeBron is in Kobe's league when it pertains to shooting.[/quote]
Are you not reading my posts? I said [b]10-11[/b] LeBron compares very well to all versions of Kobe jump-shot wise, and was in fact better this past season. Thus rendering your first statement completely untrue.
[QUOTE=catch24]Educate yourself.[/QUOTE]
I knew I was right to want you on ignore.
that Asian dude has everybody on ignore. Delusional as fvck
[QUOTE=Indian guy]1.5 to Kobe's 3.[/quote]
Significant.
[quote]Are you not reading my posts? I said [b]10-11[/b] LeBron compares very well to all versions of Kobe jump-shot wise, and was in fact better this past season. Thus rendering your first statement completely untrue.[/QUOTE]
Right, this season... where Kobe was injured... That was my original point.
On average (going by what the data says since 2007); however, Kobe has attempted 7 FGA from 16-23 FT and made 40% of them; LeBron has attempted 5 FGA from 16-23 FT and made 39% of them.