96-98 Jordan vs 08-10 Kobe

Guys, [URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6173972"]Dmavs/Gino = Warriors fan & gengiskhan[/URL]

Stop being so easily hoodwinked.

[QUOTE=Heavincent]You are DMAVS. You're not fooling anybody.[/QUOTE]
:lol at dis man

[QUOTE=andgar923]And the fact that MJ didn't settle or force as many shots has anything to do with it?

MJ has credited Dean Smith into transforming him into the player he became endlessly, this is where he learned to play smart and make the proper decisions. Kenny Smith alluded to this as well.

How many great athletes have we seen in the league with great potential come and go, but their iq kills their chances of being great (or good at all in some cases).

[B]Kobe has a good IQ, but compared to most of the greats and to MJ it falls very short[/B].[/QUOTE]

Dead on

Kobe missing NCAA has costed him. Kobe'tards just dont realise it.

Kobe would've been lot more efficient as Pro has he finished atleast 2 yrs of NCAA at UNC or Duke.

My point is peak kobe will still get 35ppg in that year. but with lot less shot jocking and taking lesser FG attempts resulting in MVP in weaker league

Kobe would've also won 2-3 MVP like Magic & Bird instead of 1. Kobe would've won his FIRST Finals MVP in 2004 instead of 2009.

Kobe's decent IQ & average understanding of the game is killing him & Lakers, He just doesnt know when to shoot or when to pass most of the time.

[QUOTE=Bladers]Guys, [URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6173972"]Dmavs/Gino = Warriors fan & gengiskhan[/URL]

Stop being so easily hoodwinked.[/QUOTE]
what up ******

[B]96-98 Jordan vs 08-10 Kobe?[/B]

On paper looks pretty even,
[QUOTE][B]Playoffs[/B]

96 Jordan 30.7 pts (45.9 %),4.9 rb,4.1 as
97 Jordan 31.1 pts (45.6 %),7.9 rb,4.8 as
98 Jordan 32.4 pts (46.2 %),5.1 rb,3.5 as

08 Kobe 30.1 pts (47.9 %),5.7 rb,5.6 as
09 Kobe 30.2 pts (45.7%),5.3 rb,5.5 as
10 Kobe 29.2 pts (45.8%),6 rb,5.5 as[/QUOTE]


but once you dig deeper Jordan's wins easily.

[B]Jordan's Playoff runs[/B]
[CODE] 1996 1997 1998

PTS FG % PTS FG % PTS FG%
Jordan 30.7 45.9 31.1 45.6 32.4 46.2
Bulls 97.4 44.3 92.5 43.2 93.1 44.5
Jordan's Share 31.5% 33.6% 34.8%

League Avg 93.7 45.5 94.0 44.4 91.2 44.9 [/CODE]

[B]Kobe's Playoff runs[/B]
[CODE] 2008 2009 2010

PTS FG % PTS FG % PTS FG%
Kobe 30.1 47.9 30.2 45.7 29.2 45.8
Lakers 102.4 46.8 102.4 46.5 101.1 46.0
Kobe's Share 29.4% 29.5% 28.9%

League Avg 94.9 44.4 96.7 45.1 97.5 45.3 [/CODE]

In short:late 90's defense was tougher than today,plus Jordan did more (three-peat) with less.

[QUOTE=Warriors fan]TPOLS claims that MJ would have had no chance to replace Kobe from 08 to 10 and make 3 straight finals. He claims at most he makes 2 finals and wins 1 title.

Agree or disagree?

Also, does 98 Jordan get swept by the Mavs replacing Kobe this year?


[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckkLI7U8Btg[/url][/QUOTE]

why creating the exact thread and thread title of DMAVS?

[URL=http://imgur.com/m6qTX][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/m6qTX.png[/IMG][/URL]

or you're one of his brothers? or you're him and forgot about it?

i'm confused :hammerhead:

[QUOTE=winwin]why creating the exact thread and thread title of DMAVS?

[URL=http://imgur.com/m6qTX][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/m6qTX.png[/IMG][/URL]

or you're one of his brothers? or you're him and forgot about it?

i'm confused :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]
I thought it was a good topic so i made it and people actually responded to mine. No i'm not him or his brother

[QUOTE=andgar923][B]Kobe has never been better than MJ defensively.... NEVER.

Shit... Wizards MJ is as good as 'prime' Kobe defensively.[/B]
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I don't get the whole "Kobe's lack of basketball IQ" argument or "MJ had such great shot selection"

It wasn't that Jordan had the greatest shot selection ever, he was just a great finisher and scorer. His FG% was worse during the 2nd three peat and in the 2000s, did his IQ suddenly drop off?

He was never a jump shooter. He was a bonafide slasher who had an unguardable first step. MJ used to go 1 on 5, take quick shots, etc but that wasn't always a bad shot for him because he could make it.

FG% isn't an indicator of IQ. Besides it isn't like 45% shooting for a perimeter player who primarily shoots jumpers is low.

[QUOTE=Mr. I'm So Rad]I don't get the whole "Kobe's lack of basketball IQ" argument or "MJ had such great shot selection"

It wasn't that Jordan had the greatest shot selection ever, he was just a great finisher and scorer. His FG% was worse during the 2nd three peat and in the 2000s, did his IQ suddenly drop off?

He was never a jump shooter. He was a bonafide slasher who had an unguardable first step. MJ used to go 1 on 5, take quick shots, etc but that wasn't always a bad shot for him because he could make it.

FG% isn't an indicator of IQ. Besides it isn't like 45% shooting for a perimeter player who primarily shoots jumpers is low.[/QUOTE]
What's funny about that argument is that Kobe pretty consistently was more efficient in the playoffs. He shot about 57% TS% every year from 08-10 in the playoffs, where Jordan shot 56%, 52%, and 55% in 96, 97, and 98 in the playoffs.

[QUOTE=Mr. I'm So Rad]I don't get the whole "Kobe's lack of basketball IQ" argument or "MJ had such great shot selection"

It wasn't that Jordan had the greatest shot selection ever, he was just a great finisher and scorer. His FG% was worse during the 2nd three peat and in the 2000s, did his IQ suddenly drop off?

He was never a jump shooter. He was a bonafide slasher who had an unguardable first step. MJ used to go 1 on 5, take quick shots, etc but that wasn't always a bad shot for him because he could make it.

FG% isn't an indicator of IQ. Besides it isn't like 45% shooting for a perimeter player who primarily shoots jumpers is low.[/QUOTE]

Jordan was almost always a great jumpshooter and had a great postgame. People seem to think he didn't just cause he didn't use it as much when he was younger. He didn't need to because of his great athleticism and finishing ability. Kobe does have significantly worse shot selection then Jordan. You won't ever find Jordan taking a fadeaway three-pointer with a man all over him with 10 seconds still left on the clock.

Its hilarious for anyone to think ANY version of Kobe was better then Jordan in 96 and 97. I just have to assume alot of you are either biased or weren't watching at the time. And I don't think any version was better then 98 Jordan. There's no way Kobe leads a team to over 60+ wins with his best teammate sidelined for half the season or will an old team like that to a championship like Jordan.

[QUOTE=guy]Jordan was almost always a great jumpshooter and had a great postgame. People seem to think he didn't just cause he didn't use it as much when he was younger. He didn't need to because of his great athleticism and finishing ability. Kobe does have significantly worse shot selection then Jordan. You won't ever find Jordan taking a fadeaway three-pointer with a man all over him with 10 seconds still left on the clock.

Its hilarious for anyone to think ANY version of Kobe was better then Jordan in 96 and 97. I just have to assume alot of you are either biased or weren't watching at the time. And I don't think any version was better then 98 Jordan. There's no way Kobe leads a team to over 60+ wins with his best teammate sidelined for half the season or will an old team like that to a championship like Jordan.[/QUOTE]

People were watching, the problem is Jordan stains are overrating him. He is the best player of all-time, but peak Kobe was better then mid-late 90's Jordan.

[QUOTE=game3524]People were watching, the problem is Jordan stains are overrating him. He is the best player of all-time, but peak Kobe was better then mid-late 90's Jordan.[/QUOTE]

Really? The guy that led a team to 72 and 69 wins, and 62 wins without his best teammate, and to a three-peat? You think Jordan blows a 3-1 lead and barely even shoots in a game 7? You think Jordan lets his team blow a 24-point lead at home in the freaking Finals when they are down 2-1? You think Jordan lets his team get blown out by 40 in the elimination game of the Finals? You think Jordan lets his team get pushed to 7 games by a team that is missing its 2 best players? You think the Lakers would've had the problems they had with teams like the Rockets, Thunder, and Hornets with Jordan instead of Kobe? Get real.

[QUOTE=guy]Really? The guy that led a team to 72 and 69 wins, and 62 wins without his best teammate, and to a three-peat? You think Jordan blows a 3-1 lead and barely even shoots in a game 7? You think Jordan lets his team blow a 24-point lead at home in the freaking Finals when they are down 2-1? You think Jordan lets his team get blown out by 40 in the elimination game of the Finals? You think Jordan lets his team get pushed to 7 games by a team that is missing its 2 best players? You think the Lakers would've had the problems they had with teams like the Rockets, Thunder, and Hornets with Jordan instead of Kobe? Get real.[/QUOTE]

of course they do.

Because if MJ could do what he did, it's a no brainer that Kobe the 2nd greatest 2 guard of all time could as well.... duh!

[QUOTE=guy]Really? The guy that led a team to 72 and 69 wins, and 62 wins without his best teammate, and to a three-peat? You think Jordan blows a 3-1 lead and barely even shoots in a game 7? You think Jordan lets his team blow a 24-point lead at home in the freaking Finals when they are down 2-1? You think Jordan lets his team get blown out by 40 in the elimination game of the Finals? You think Jordan lets his team get pushed to 7 games by a team that is missing its 2 best players? You think the Lakers would've had the problems they had with teams like the Rockets, Thunder, and Hornets with Jordan instead of Kobe? Get real.[/QUOTE]

See this is what I am talking about, you guys treat Jordan as if he was god. He is the best player of all-time, but he is slowly becoming the Reagan of basketball, where their is a ton revisionism.

Also those Bulls teams racked up a ton of wins in a water down league. Hell, the early 90's team was much better then the late 90's teams.