ISH All-time Top 25 Guards Project: #2 Kobe Bryant vs Magic Johnson.

[QUOTE=MasterDurant24]He also faced the Sixers with Dr.J, Toney, Cheeks, Bobby Jones, and later Moses. And the Pistons with Dantley, Thomas, Dumars, Rodman, Laimbeer, Vinnie Johnson, and later Mark Aguirre. Who are way better than the Nets, Pacers, Sixers, and Magic(09).



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Again Haters fail to mention 2010 Boston since they want to make their argument sound much better. :lol

What a loser.:facepalm

[QUOTE=ZaaaaaH]LOL so If Kobe can score and play better defense which is pretty much 100% of the game then how is it "Hands down" ?

I do agree Magic had a better TEAM Bball IQ with better Instincts but those alone does not make him better then Kobe.

Lets all be real if you are not over 40 you know shiit about 80's Basketball. I can pin point the haters Clearly in this tread especially the ones who pick Magic with no argument since they have none to begin with because they lack the knowledge and have Kobe hate take over them. Bottom line I only see two Legit post saying Magic was better and one of them is by Shaqattack but then again Shaqattack picked Nash over Iverson....[/QUOTE]

because there's other aspects besides just those two. And as anybody can tell you, Magic could control the game without his scoring and be more impactful than Kobe could dropping 40 pts.

And it aint as if Kobe was a great dominant defender either. I'm sure that the gap isn't as wide as Kobe fans want to make it. Sure, Magic wasn't as great of a one on one defender as Kobe, but Magic was good at helping and anticipating, somehow he just made the right play defensively.

And Magic handling the ball dropping 12 assists and 19 points is more dangerous offensively than Kobe due to the various mismatch problems he presents. His ability to not just create a shot for himself on anybody guarding him but also getting his teammates involved is more potent.

But if we wanna go ahead and start listing things that Magic is better than Kobe at doing... here we go:

Leadership
IQ
Rebounding
Passing
Help defense
Creating mismatch problems
Offensive impact

Kobe... can score better and defend better. Although the impact offensively isn't as great, and the impact defensively is marginal.

Get mad.

Kobe beat West and West Beat Oscar but I wonder if Kobe would've beaten Oscar.

Kobe Bryant wins on most advanced statistics... the ones that more accurately predict future outcomes for individuals and teams.

Magic himself has even said Kobe has surpassed him as the greatest Laker. Kobe is going to hold every Laker career record when it's all said and done.

[B]Kobe Bryant[/B] by a razor thin margin.

I already voted i just wanna explain
Kobe is a better individual player-he has one if the all time best scoring arsenal,he's a great shooter and also is a better man to man defender
Magic is a better passer and playmaker(although Kobe can make some great passes) and a better rebounder.
If you sum this up Kobe wins this not by a lot but still does BUT this is a GOAT list so you have to add inpact and awards ofc
MVP's-Magic 3 Kobe 1
FMVP's-Magic 3 Kobe 2
rings tie@ 5 but Kobe wasn't a big factor in the 1st one
Kobe has the edge on longetivity
But the thing is Magic left a bigger inpact-along with Bird and MJ he was the best player in maybe the best era of basketball,he made NBA more popular
And yeah Magic has some legendery playoff moments and games-Kobe not so much-the greatest moment he had is probably the gamewinner vs the Suns in 2006 and no realy legendery games in the finals while Magic has his skyhook vs Boston and.that 42 15 8 in game 6 of his 1st finals in wich he started as a C

Bean is a better:
Scorer
Shooter
Defender
Clutch
Leader
passer

how is magic better:roll:

[QUOTE=zay_24]Bean is a better:
Scorer
Shooter
Defender
Clutch
Leader
passer

how is magic better:roll:[/QUOTE]

lol, you're a funny guy.

[QUOTE=zay_24]Bean is a better:
Scorer
Shooter
Defender
Clutch
Leader
passer

how is magic better:roll:[/QUOTE]
Magic is just as clutch if not more clutch than Kobe
passer?Kobe is a good passer but Magic is just better
leader?Both are among all time greates leaders so this is arguable
Magic is also a better rebounder
Kobe
scorring
Shooting
defense

Magic
passing
rebounding


All other skills can go either way

Remember when Shaq left LA and Kobe struggled to keep the Lakers in the playoff rankings? I just can't imagine Magic being in that situation - he was too good.

Magic guaranteed championships. Just surround him with good finishers and defenders, and he'll do the rest.

This is an easy decision for me: [b]Magic Johnson[/b] gets my vote.

Magic's story in short:

Beats Bird in college, brings L.A. a championship, becomes a dick in his second season, redeems himself in his third with another championship, loses to Bird, then beats Bird, then beats Bird a third time to set matters straight, then wins a second in a row with a subpar Kareem(five by now), leads team to Finals without Kareem, wins an All Star MVP after retirement, plays in the Dream Team.

I won't go into details how "great" Kobe's story was, but it's not as magnificient as [B]Magic Johnson[/B]'s

[QUOTE=zay_24]Bean is a better:
Scorer
Shooter
Defender
Clutch
Leader
passer

how is magic better:roll:[/QUOTE]
Better defender, shooter, and scorer are the only ones that are true.

Bean Bryant

[B]Magic Johnson[/B]

[QUOTE=iamgine]Kobe beat West and West Beat Oscar but I wonder if Kobe would've beaten Oscar.[/QUOTE]
Good point. On this board, probably.

Just to add in my two cents.. although Magic may have been slightly the better playoff performer he was nearly a liability on the defensive end. Kobe on the other hand has made 11 all-defensive NBA teams and although some years may have been unwarranted his whole body of work as a defensive player is much more impressive than Magic's body of work as a defensive player.

If I had a vote I would put Kobe over Magic, as one poster put it: "by a razor thin margin".