I'm owed months worth of repping. :pimp:
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I'm owed months worth of repping. :pimp:
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[QUOTE=Phong]I'm owed months worth of repping. :pimp:[/QUOTE]
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lol Phong has indeed GIF making skills tho... i give u that :oldlol:
did u make that one phong?
[QUOTE=DaPerceive]Maybe you should start paying attention when watching those Lakers games. Magic and LeBron have nothing in common other than their size. If somebody has to explain it to you how LeBron and Magic aren't alike then I don't know what to say. LeBron resembles The Big O, not Magic.[/QUOTE]
I have been watching Earvin live since 1983 mind you and he is my favorite player of all time, so please be careful with your words and i did inform you where their games most resemble during 1980-83 when Norm Nixon was the point guard, where Magic was a SF-SG, did you see any of those games?
Here is one, its enough if you just watch 30 seconds of this game after the tip to see the resemblance: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=61WdSZwscUg#t=486s[/url]
You have to be the first human here i have met who doesnt see any resemblance at all between Lebron's & Magic's games at the specific size & being point-forwards. Ofcourse they are no clones, but the similarity is there? Once again, you didnt give any indication to why you dont see any resemblance at all?
Only two players ever that were drafted PG at 6'8"+.
Only two players ever that were that versatile in terms of position's.
Only two players ever that had that great point guard skills at such a size, Magic's was obviously better but thats not the point.
Only two players ever that were that good point-forwards.
Lebron has said he patterned alot of his game after Magic.
Magic himself has numerous times mentioned the resemblance.
Really? You see nothing? Does this denial of yours have anything to do with lets say, a certain dislike for mr James? :)
Magic Johnson was extremly unique, i dont think we will ever see somebody 6'8"+ ever play point guard again, Lebron did that but i am talking about starting-playing point guard the entire career almost and certainly not at Magic's level.
Penny Hardaway
Scottie Pippen
Grant Hill
Lamar Odom
Shaun Livingston
Lebron James
All these players had more or less of a resemblance in contrast of Magic whether you like it or not, i am a huge "point-forward" fan mind you. :)
Man, watching that vid, I forgot how quick Norm Nixon was.
sh0wtime dropping knowledge on Magic.
Never got to watch him, but my dad used to tell me how he was one of the hardest guys to stop on the basketball court.
His impact helped his teammates that much more than anyone realizes.
Lebron is an ugly hybrid.He has got magic's scoring power and Jordan's playmaking skills.Also Magic's fat ass and Jordan's bald.
Lebron in '11 finals:oldlol:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0XIWdmmZuA&feature=related[/url]
[QUOTE=sh0wtime]Have you seen Oscar Robertson play? Similar statistical numbers to some degree i guess, but thats about it, they had very different gamestyles, especially when you talk about size. Tyreke Evans, Dwyane Wade and John Wall are the type of players that should resemble Oscar Robertson more in at that specific size.
Lebron & Magic on the other hand resemble extremly much, they play different in the sense of Magic being more passing minded and Lebron being more scoring minded, but Lebron is truly reminiscent of Magic. Both were point-forwards and the best ever at it. Try watch any game by Magic during the 1980-83 seasons when Norm Nixon was the starting PG, Magic played SF/SG and was more of a point-forward, Magic's "point-forward" role in 1980-83 is identical to Lebron's today.
The motive to the resemblance is very simple i think, i am gona be a bit more thorough:
1. At Lebrons massive size nobody in NBA history had better point guard skills, namely ballhandling, passing ability and court vision except for Magic Johnson. This does not mean that Lebron was at that level in terms of point guard skills, but that he is at that size the next closest we ever had to Magic in terms of point guard skills, at that size, remember the key word here is "size". Lebron's point guard skills are fantastic compared to any point guard today, he has proved it over and over, i certainly even remember him averaging a triple double in a span of 12 games when Mo Williams was injured as he officially started point guard, averaging over 12 assists a game and they won all those games. Great point guard skills and the next best point guard skills at that size in contrast of Magic, but still far considering Magic did not only possess the best point guard skills at that size, but the best of anybody in NBA history.
2. As far as i remember Lebron was the 2nd 6'8"+ player in NBA history to be drafted PG, the 1st one was guess who?
3. Last but not least, versatility in terms of position. Lebron & Magic are the only players in NBA history who actually started 4 and arguably 5 positions during their career. Not only did they start-play them, but they could have dominated any of those positions. Nobody was ever that versatile position wise as Lebron & Magic, unless you can think of somebody else?
This versatility is ofcourse the result of having those point guard skills at that big size, the size allows for them to play the forward positions and the ballhandling, passing, court vision, scoring allows them to play the guard positions.
They are not clones, but yes, the similarity is most definitely there. The similarity would have been even greater if Lebron actually decided to officially start point guard for the rest of his career and he can do it believe you me! How many 6'8"+ point guards was there anyways? Only one.[/QUOTE]
Awesome post! I love the Tyreke-Big O comparison! I feel size, skillset, and athletic ability wise they are similar. I think people sleep on Wade and even to an extent MJ on their similarities to Big O. The main difference is that MJ and Wade played more SG and they were freakish athletes. But in terms of being a true total package and able to play multiple positions at that size and dominate, Big O is the blueprint for all players 6'6 and under to an extent. Guys like MJ and Wade added the freakish athletic ability to it.
Magic and Bron are damn similar. The difference is Bron's freakish athletic ability and more scoring minded skillset. And people forget that Bron at first played PG for the Cavs. And people often forget that Magic teamed with and All Star PG in Norm Nixon. So Magic at that time was playing a more swiss army type role who would play 1-5. It was later that he settled into that PG role, even though he would swing to other spots at times. I do feel Magic had the killer instinct and scoring ability to score as many points than Bron.
And Magic proved he was a Batman scorer and clutch (definitely more clutch than Bron) whenever he chose to be. But Magic was a PG first and as u stated had the best PG skills of all time in a 6'9 body. Which is insane. Bron has awesome PG skills too. He has better PG skills than most PG's. But I think he's a hair behind Magic, Stockton, Kidd, Nash, Big O, or Isiah. But I feel his PG skills are on par with any of the other great PG's. And they are better than other multi talented SG's or SF's capable of point guard or point forward roles such as Barry, Bird, Hondo, Pippen, Kobe, Hill, Penny, or MJ.
[QUOTE=sh0wtime]I have been watching Earvin live since 1983 mind you and he is my favorite player of all time, so please be careful with your words and i did inform you where their games most resemble during 1980-83 when Norm Nixon was the point guard, where Magic was a SF-SG, did you see any of those games?
Here is one, its enough if you just watch 30 seconds of this game after the tip to see the resemblance: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=61WdSZwscUg#t=486s[/url]
You have to be the first human here i have met who doesnt see any resemblance at all between Lebron's & Magic's games at the specific size & being point-forwards. Ofcourse they are no clones, but the similarity is there? Once again, you didnt give any indication to why you dont see any resemblance at all?
Only two players ever that were drafted PG at 6'8"+.
Only two players ever that were that versatile in terms of position's.
Only two players ever that had that great point guard skills at such a size, Magic's was obviously better but thats not the point.
Only two players ever that were that good point-forwards.
Lebron has said he patterned alot of his game after Magic.
Magic himself has numerous times mentioned the resemblance.
Really? You see nothing? Does this denial of yours have anything to do with lets say, a certain dislike for mr James? :)
Magic Johnson was extremly unique, i dont think we will ever see somebody 6'8"+ ever play point guard again, Lebron did that but i am talking about starting-playing point guard the entire career almost and certainly not at Magic's level.
Penny Hardaway
Scottie Pippen
Grant Hill
Lamar Odom
Shaun Livingston
Lebron James
All these players had more or less of a resemblance in contrast of Magic whether you like it or not, i am a huge "point-forward" fan mind you. :)[/QUOTE]
Great post! I've always been intrigued by the big PG or point forward type of player. I think Bird and Barry were point forward type of players. I just think that their handles were the difference between them and the guys u named. Magic, Penny, Bron, etc. had PG type of ball handling skills to go with the passing and mind. Bird and Barry didn't have PG type handles, but they had PG type vision.
I think three guys that are underrated at that 6'7 to 6'8 range for those type of Point guard or Point Forward skills are Reggie Theus, Jalen Rose, and Steve Smith. Their haven't been many guys to play most of their minutes at PG that are 6'7 and up consistently for a season, let alone a career. I can just think of Magic, Penny, Steve Smith, and Jalen Rose. And I don't mean a point forward role. But an actual PG role where u are paired with with a legit SG and a legit SF.
Lebron should start to emulate Magic if he wants to be successfull. The problem is he doesn't have the basketball IQ, the instincts, or the mental toughness that Magic had. Lebron is an amazing talent but there's only 1 Magic Johnson.
yea man...... i think its the time for him to watch some Magic games.... this is what the team needs... this team is athletic... they need to run... just like the lakers in 80s did..... with Wade on one end and Bosh on the other... they can do heavy damage.... would expect Lebron to be a 24-8-10 guy..... add a nasty post game aswell.... then its done! imagine those PG midgets trying to guard lebron in the post lol
Lebron has the 3rd best PPG in NBA history... so he is also Heats most productive scorer... but he can afford to calm down with it on this team... he can just dish out and step up scoring wise when they need him to...
plus they will have their BEST lineup on the floor if he starts PG...
PG - Lebron
SG - Wade
SF - Miller or JJ
PF - Bosh
C - ?
lol they really need a Center........ they dont have one... Joel Anthony? 6'8"-'6'9"... he is not bigger than Lebron for gods sake... :lol
Lebron needs a reliable post game most.And play agressive like his early years in Cavs.
Jumpers or playmaking from outside of 3 point line shouldn't be his first options.He can still have great numbers like that but it takes dominance away.
I hated when T-Mac and Vince turned into shooters even they still had great shape.