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[QUOTE=YAWN]agree with the post, but you're really nitpicking there at the end. some players would opt to not play and undergo surgery to repair this injury.[/QUOTE]
well....maybe...but my point really isn't that. i've said kobe is one of the toughest guys ever a number of times. i really believe that.
my point is that hurt or not hurt....its really just the same kobe.
[QUOTE=YAWN]he would get bashed more if he would of minimized his shooting and lost. its happened before.[/QUOTE]
If I recall correctly he got bashed when he absolutely refused to shoot in a game vs Sacto during Shaq-Kobe days (I think) and then again in game 7 of a playoff game vs Phoenix during Kobe era. IMO that is equally stupid as chucking bad shots all night long. There is a balance there, it's not that hard to find.
[QUOTE=tpols]He should have never been 3/17 to begin with man..[/QUOTE]
i agree and thats just where it starts. he just shot freaking terribly and it is completely irrelevant because it will not happen again mostlikely.
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]look. you kobe fans act like basketball is impossible to be played well. its not. each game is different.
how could anyone with a brain get mad at kobe for feeding gasol and bynum yesterday all game? the nuggets don't have an answer for them.
kobe fans and kobe himself are way too ****ing worried about what people are going to say. who the **** cares? just play the damn game of basketball and not worry about that shit.
so sick of the so called "statement games" from a guy that has been in the league 16 years now.[/QUOTE]
Is it that hard to realize that after the game you would be saying basketball wasn't played well if they kept going into Bynum and he kept missing shots for example? Hindsight is 20/20.
[QUOTE=YAWN]he would get bashed more if he would of minimized his shooting and lost. its happened before.[/QUOTE]
exactly... and im not bringing up the bashing thing because i care about his reputation, im just trying to make people realize that you cant talk about these things in hindsight. of course its the wrong decision when he misses 22 shots but if he passed and they missed youd say Holy shit! He should have shot the ball its kobe bryant!
and dmavs i agree with your last post here , the injuries or hurt or w/e dont matter. its all garb. if you cant play then dont show up, if you do and miss 20 shots then you had a bad game.. injuries are no excuse for me
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]look. you kobe fans act like basketball is impossible to be played well. its not. each game is different.
how could anyone with a brain get mad at kobe for feeding gasol and bynum yesterday all game? the nuggets don't have an answer for them.
[B]kobe fans and kobe himself are way too ****ing worried about what people are going to say. [/B] who the **** cares? just play the damn game of basketball and not worry about that shit.
so sick of the so called "statement games" from a guy that has been in the league 16 years now.[/QUOTE]
You're mistaking us for Lebron fans who have no opinion of their own, since they know nothing about anything. Therefore, they repeat what others say cuz they're way too scared to have their own opinion. Which is why whenever you ask them to back up what they say, they either don't respond, or respond with a personal attack. Don't get it twisted:no:
[QUOTE=shadow]If I recall correctly he got bashed when he absolutely refused to shoot in a game vs Sacto during Shaq-Kobe days (I think) and then again in game 7 of a playoff game vs Phoenix during Kobe era. IMO that is equally stupid as chucking bad shots all night long. There is a balance there, it's not that hard to find.[/QUOTE]
but would he be criticized in that game 7 vs phx if smush parker wasnt passing up open 3s and instead dropped 20 pts? if kwame caught the ball a few times?
hindsight guys... hindsight.. the game before that he scored 50 and they lost. this balance you speak of is reliant on the teammates not kobe. i really believe that.
[QUOTE=RazorBaLade]i agree and thats just where it starts. he just shot freaking terribly and it is completely irrelevant because it will not happen again mostlikely.
[B]Is it that hard to realize that after the game you would be saying basketball wasn't played well if they kept going into Bynum and he kept missing shots for example? Hindsight is 20/20.
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exactly... and im not bringing up the bashing thing because i care about his reputation, im just trying to make people realize that you cant talk about these things in hindsight. of course its the wrong decision when he misses 22 shots but if he passed and they missed youd say Holy shit! He should have shot the ball its kobe bryant![/QUOTE]
But I wouldn't be saying that....especially in a game in which nobody could stop Bynum or Gasol really. It would be one thing if Kobe was getting wide open shots. He wasn't. He got some decent looks, but he wasn't in a lot of situations where it was:
"he'd be an idiot to pass that shot up"
You are revising history and trying to come up with some weak ass excuses for a sg going 6/28 when he has two 7 footers flanking him that are rolling. Just doesn't add up. Sorry.
[QUOTE=shadow]If I recall correctly he got bashed when he absolutely refused to shoot in a game vs Sacto during Shaq-Kobe days (I think) and then again in game 7 of a playoff game vs Phoenix during Kobe era. IMO that is equally stupid as chucking bad shots all night long. There is a balance there, it's not that hard to find.[/QUOTE]
its happened a couple of times over the past 2 seasons as well. he would take 15-20 shots and still get bashed for "deferring to his shitty teammates" and being a "bad leader".
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]But I wouldn't be saying that....especially in a game in which nobody could stop Bynum or Gasol really. It would be one thing if Kobe was getting wide open shots. He wasn't. He got some decent looks, but he wasn't in a lot of situations where it was:
"he'd be an idiot to pass that shot up"
You are revising history and trying to come up with some weak ass excuses for a sg going 6/28 when he has two 7 footers flanking him that are rolling. Just doesn't add up. Sorry.[/QUOTE]
i dont believe that if he passed into gasol and gasol didnt catch the ball, got pushed and shoved and created some turnovers and then missed 2-3 jumpers that you would not criticize kobe as the last 6 plays of the game for him shying away from the big moment.
sorry.
bynum is not a factor for the last 4 minutes of the game as he himself said he didnt have the strength to set up down low. so we're talking about gasol and barnes and steve blake.
I'm surprised he didn't stick around in the arena to practice his shots after the game. This game is reminiscent of how he lost in Miami last year.
[QUOTE=RazorBaLade]but would he be criticized in that game 7 vs phx if smush parker wasnt passing up open 3s and instead dropped 20 pts? if kwame caught the ball a few times?
hindsight guys... hindsight.. the game before that he scored 50 and they lost. this balance you speak of is reliant on the teammates not kobe. i really believe that.[/QUOTE]
but in the 2nd half of that game 7 kobe just removed himself from the equation. that is the exact type of thing i am talking about. no balance. its either all or nothing a lot of times....and the worst part is that its often to prove a point out of ego/pride/selfishness...whatever.
did you watch the Heat game tonight? wade went something like 4 of 17. the idea of him taking 11 more shots than he did is just ****ing absurd. i can't even imagine how awful that would have been. it literally felt like he was shooting too much and he only took 17....
[QUOTE=YAWN] some players would opt to not play and undergo surgery to repair this injury.[/QUOTE]
Heal uP properly for a couple months and come back healthy for the playoffs?
Nah, Kobes got an all-time scoring ladder to keep climbin up. You know those personal achievements always come first with Kobe above the team stuff.
[QUOTE=RazorBaLade]i dont believe that if he passed into gasol and gasol didnt catch the ball, got pushed and shoved and created some turnovers and then missed 2-3 jumpers that you would not criticize kobe as the last 6 plays of the game for him shying away from the big moment.
sorry.
bynum is not a factor for the last 4 minutes of the game as he himself said he didnt have the strength to set up down low. so we're talking about gasol and barnes and steve blake.[/QUOTE]
i swear you would think kobe plays with the worst supporting casts ever. i give you credit for the spin. somehow kobe fans have tried to trick the world into thinking he hasn't had the most help of the generation. its something i will never understand.
i hope someday i have the great fortune of rooting for dirk or whoever becomes my next favorite player...and i'm so spoiled with his supporting cast that i bitch and moan about a team built around the likes of kobe/gasol/bynum...with a bunch of quality role players
that will be the day
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]but in the 2nd half of that game 7 kobe just removed himself from the equation. that is the exact type of thing i am talking about. no balance. its either all or nothing a lot of times....and the worst part is that its often to prove a point out of ego/pride/selfishness...whatever.
did you watch the Heat game tonight? wade went something like 4 of 17. the idea of him taking 11 more shots than he did is just ****ing absurd. i can't even imagine how awful that would have been. it literally felt like he was shooting too much and he only took 17....[/QUOTE]
no, he passed to his teammates and they bricked shot after shot down by 20. If they made the shots he would have had like 10 assists and been applauded as a team player. But wait, if he hadn't passed, he would have been criticized like he was the game before that for scoring 50 on good efficiency but still losing. its impossible for him and lebron to win. impossible.
i watched the last few min. only saw him take 2 or 3 in the last few so idk what happened really. but if they were good shots that wade can make ill live with a 4-17 opnce in a while cuz i know he can go 9/17 too
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]i swear you would think kobe plays with the worst supporting casts ever. i give you credit for the spin. somehow kobe fans have tried to trick the world into thinking he hasn't had the most help of the generation. its something i will never understand.
i hope someday i have the great fortune of rooting for dirk or whoever becomes my next favorite player...and i'm so spoiled with his supporting cast that i bitch and moan about a team built around the likes of kobe/gasol/odom...with a bunch of quality role players
that will be the day[/QUOTE]
lol thank you. its just another possibility. im ignoring the fact that gasol could have potentially scored every play because hes amazing and was guarded by some scrub for the sake of my point but at the end of the day i honestly believe its still a gamble. Its always a gamble... and i think kobe loses no matter how he plays it.
If he shoots and wins, he was selfish
If he shoots and misses, he was selfish
If he passes to gasol in this case and wins, he got carried by his teammates and he was useless
If he passes to gasol in this case and loses, he was sulking to prove a point instead of taking over
i mean it cant be so black and white.. I've literally heard and seen all 4 of those scenarios multiple times btw
[QUOTE=RazorBaLade]no, he passed to his teammates and they bricked shot after shot down by 20. If they made the shots he would have had like 10 assists and been applauded as a team player. But wait, if he hadn't passed, he would have been criticized like he was the game before that for scoring 50 on good efficiency but still losing. its impossible for him and lebron to win. impossible.
i watched the last few min. only saw him take 2 or 3 in the last few so idk what happened really. but if they were good shots that wade can make ill live with a 4-17 opnce in a while cuz i know he can go 9/17 too[/QUOTE]
i totally disagree about 06, but that isn't the point really is it....
kobe has a legit team around him. he has the best frontcourt in the game. no excuses. pass the ball. stop making things complicated. at least get it inside yourself.
my god....drive and kick. get to the wing post. do something other than take long jumpers....