Wilt in Must-Win and Clinching Games in the Post-Season

[QUOTE=jlauber]He SELECTIVELY pulled quotes. Psileas, La Frescobaldi, and myself came up with a TON of quotes, from peers, and when Chamberlain was ALIVE, that ripped those quotes to shreds...many by the SAME players.

It has also become apparent that he blatantly LIED about the Lakers taking a team vote in 1965 against trading for Wilt. I have never found one shred of evidence that substantiates that point.

He also claimed that Wilt was twice "traded for pennies on the dollar."

Read MY take on that...

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=223621[/url]

Or that Russell played with about the same number of HOF teammates. The REALITY was, Russell played alongside his HOF teammates in 71 FULL seasons (both regular season and post-season), while Wilt collectively played 20 FULL seasons with his HOF teammates.[/QUOTE]

Then what's with the conflicting quotes? :no: There was a recent article on NBA.com that basically echoed what Simmons was saying. Cherry picking "oh wilt was great" quotes isn't nearly as consistent as people who BAG on Wilt from quotes in the past, and quotes NOW.

I have one question, jlauber: do you honestly think people who disagree with you read through even 20% of these long-ass posts?

[QUOTE=jlauber]YOU were the one who brought it up...it seems like YOU would be more interested in that than I would.[/QUOTE]
I did not mean to offend you but you seem to have a crazy mancrush on him.

[QUOTE=-23-]Then what's with the conflicting quotes? :no: There was a recent article on NBA.com that basically echoed what Simmons was saying. Cherry picking "oh wilt was great" quotes isn't nearly as consistent as people who BAG on Wilt from quotes in the past, and quotes NOW.[/QUOTE]

I am not going to take the time to look up quotes by peers that have bashed other "greats." Kareem, MJ, and Russell were certainly not well liked by at least some of their peers.

Oscar, West, and even Russell ALL proclaimed Chamberlain as the GOAT at some point BEFORE Wilt died. I believe Bird did as well.

[QUOTE=Pushxx]I have one question, jlauber: do you honestly think people who disagree with you read through even 20% of these long-ass posts?[/QUOTE]
No one reads them really, he even bumped his own essays and filled it up with new ones...

[QUOTE=millwad]I did not mean to offend you but you seem to have a crazy mancrush on him.[/QUOTE]

You didn't offend me at all. I could not care less if Chamberlain were gay. And I have no more of a "man-crush" on him, than you do on Hakeem.

[QUOTE=Pushxx]I have one question, jlauber: do you honestly think people who disagree with you read through even 20% of these long-ass posts?[/QUOTE]

I always find these responses fascinating. I have read posts, like this one, in which the poster claims to have not read my post...yet, he will then argue certain points in his (or her's) replies.

The fact that someone even takes the time to post a response in these topics is all I need to read. Clearly, they are taking the time to read them.

[QUOTE=jlauber]You didn't offend me at all. I could not care less if Chamberlain were gay. And I have no more of a "man-crush" on him, than you do on Hakeem.[/QUOTE]
You do, I like Hakeem's game but I would never spend the amount of time on him as you do regsrding Wilt. Only a few of my posts are about him and only in relevant threads. You only discuss Wilt and you write extremely long posts about him...

[QUOTE=millwad]No one reads them really, he even bumped his own essays and filled it up with new ones...[/QUOTE]

And yet you manage to take the time to pop in and respond in nearly all of them.

[QUOTE=millwad]You do, I like Hakeem's game but I would never spend the amount of time on him as you do regsrding Wilt. Only a few of my posts are about him and only in relevant threads. You only discuss Wilt and you write extremely long posts about him...[/QUOTE]

Here again, you go OUT OF YOUR WAY to DISPARAGE Wilt in nearly EVERY topic about him. I occasionally respond to Hakeem topics, and only to provide a dose of reality to those that proclaim him as some kind of GOAT.

[QUOTE=jlauber]And yet you manage to take the time to pop in and respond in nearly all of them.[/QUOTE]
You are a funny gay, no hatin'.

[QUOTE=millwad]You are a funny gay, no hatin'.[/QUOTE]

Here again, I have nothing against "gays", but I have been married to my wife for over 31 years.

Having said that, this is a SPORTS forum, and is not really the place to post your gay and racial insults, or personal attacks on other posters like 32Dayz.

[QUOTE=jlauber]Here again, I have nothing against "gays", but I have been married to my wife for over 31 years.

Having said that, this is a SPORTS forum, and is not really the place to post your gay and racial insults, or personal attacks on other posters like 32Dayz.[/QUOTE]
I meant guy. And regarding insult, you have insult ALOT of posters with your childish namecalling. As soon as someone doesn't agree with you, you make up names... :facepalm

[QUOTE=jlauber]I am not going to take the time to look up quotes by peers that have bashed other "greats." Kareem, MJ, and Russell were certainly not well liked by at least some of their peers.

Oscar, West, and even Russell ALL proclaimed Chamberlain as the GOAT at some point BEFORE Wilt died. I believe Bird did as well.[/QUOTE]


And in no way is Wilt in any discussion for GOAT.

[QUOTE=-23-]How exactly was it a joke when he pulled articles, quotes, and general observations from the game? I read his whole book, and I thought it was interesting to see what other players felt about Wilt. It seems only after he'd died that other players seemed to "respect" his game.[/QUOTE]

If they didn't respect him, it was because the fear was blocking that emotion. For ten years he was most likely to outscore, outrebound, outblock anybody on the court. And for most of that time he was likely to do it unlike anybody in the sport would ever do it, even 60 years later. For ten years you didn't know when a a massive 55/35 triple double might be had on your team. When focused he could assist as good as anybody in the game. And if that wasn't enough, he might have had the best defensive year ever as well. In Shaq's most dominant scoring year he had one/tenth the separation Wilt had one year. Yeah, 1/10th!

Wilt wasn't into intimidation in a physically aggressive manner, but he did dislocate one of the strongest guys in the games arm by blocking his dunk attempt. He did pick up Bob Lanier (one of the games biggest players) just to let him know how boxing out could work. Tex Winters spies on Wilt taking a couple of steps and leaping from the foul line to dunk the ball. These things leak out, incidental stories about his strength and agility. Do you really think he wasn't respected?