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[QUOTE=bwink23][/B]
So you don't need TS% AT ALL....right?? Since the info is already there. :hammerhead:
Obviously, if a guy shoots better in all areas of scoring( FG's, 3's, and FT's) he is the BETTER SCORER.....no matter what your stupid TS% tells you....take that to the bank you FOOL>[/QUOTE]
Okay bitch, [COLOR="Green"][SIZE="4"]you win[/SIZE][/COLOR].
[QUOTE=Droid101]The refs didn't "give" anyone anything. Players who drive to the basket get fouled more. Also, skilled players are good at drawing fouls.[/QUOTE]
LOL...Kobe was most definately given FT's...but that's not the point..
The point is that Kobe shot better in all phases of scoring in 2009, but shot a worse TS% than in 2005..
That right there aught to tell you how MISLEADING of a stat TS% is....
In TS%, the lower the ratio of FG to FT, the better the TS%..REGARDLESS of how well you really shoot from the field..
In TS%, you can be an excellent FT shooter and a terrible FG shooter, and still carry a higher TS% than someone who does both well, but doesn't get the same number of calls...
Learn how to properly analyze games you idiot.
[QUOTE=chazzy]Don't get baited by bwink - he'll never understand how the distribution and volume of your shots matter in addition to the percentages[/QUOTE]
He a silly [U][B]motherf[/B][B]ucker[/B][/U].
[QUOTE=barnett114]He a silly [U][B]motherf[/B][B]ucker[/B][/U].[/QUOTE]
So you agree that despite Kobe shooting better in all phases of scoring in 2009...that he was a more efficient scorer in 2005, correct???
[QUOTE=chazzy]Don't get baited by bwink - he'll never understand how the distribution and volume of your shots matter in addition to the percentages[/QUOTE]
I'll tell you what i tell all Kobetards on this topic...
CALL ME when a real analyst on ESPN or during ball games EVER brings up TS%.....I won't wait up for that day...SMOKED :pimp:
[QUOTE=bwink23]So you agree that despite Kobe shooting better in all phases of scoring in 2009...that he was a more efficient scorer in 2005, correct???[/QUOTE]
Forget TS% and FG% for a second.
[SIZE="5"][B][U]27.6 PPG on 20.1 FGA[/U][/B][/SIZE]
[SIZE="5"][B][U]26.8 PPG on 20.9 FGA [/U][/B][/SIZE]
And I guess Billups isn't efficient either.
[QUOTE=bwink23]
CALL ME when a real analyst on ESPN[/QUOTE]
[url]http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/29293/dirk-nowitzkis-true-shooting-percentage[/url]
[QUOTE=barnett114]Forget TS% and FG% for a second.
[SIZE="5"][B][U]27.6 PPG on 20.1 FGA[/U][/B][/SIZE]
[SIZE="5"][B][U]26.8 PPG on 20.9 FGA [/U][/B][/SIZE]
And I guess Billups isn't efficient either.[/QUOTE]
cuz of FT attempts.....:hammerhead: You can thank the officiating for that....
FT's and FG's don't mix, and never will.....PERIOD
[QUOTE=chazzy][url]http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/29293/dirk-nowitzkis-true-shooting-percentage[/url][/QUOTE]
Thanks for posting an article a STATISTICIAN wrote, LOL....:hammerhead:
I said call me when an ANALYST uses it...:violin:
[QUOTE=bwink23]Thanks for posting an article a STATISTICIAN wrote, LOL....:hammerhead:
I said call me when an ANALYST uses it...:violin:[/QUOTE]
[url]http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-110302/daily-dime[/url]
[QUOTE=Droid101]Once again, fail poster is fail.
If a dude had lines like:
35 PPG 48% FG
33 PPG 49% FG
31 PPG 50% FG
You're assuming those are "worse" than the Jordan lines you commented on?[/quote]No moron. Those are great shooting stats from the field. I can look at his 3's if I want his percentage there. Same with FT"s. I don't need a lumped together stat that hides bad shooting from the floor and is boosted by FT's. I like to know what he actually did.
[QUOTE]What if he shot 100% of his shots from 3 point range? Looks a lot better than Jordan's lines now, doesn't it?[/QUOTE]Are you asking if he hit 100% of his shots from 3, or what if he took all of his shots from three? If he hit them then he was shooting well from the floor overall. What's the problem?
[quote]:facepalm at you ****ing luddites. Statistics and technology evolve. Evolve with them.[/QUOTE]They don't need to evolve if the game is still the same. You can't use stats that are lumped together for a game like basketball. Baseball? Sure because everyone gets the same amount of at-bats, and they all have to play defense. There is a measurable amount of data that can be broken down in many different ways because there aren't too many variables from game to game.
Basketball is too nuanced for that. Every game is very different than the game before and they all have their own ebb and flow. That's where you stat nerds get it messed up.
[QUOTE=chazzy][url]http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-110302/daily-dime[/url][/QUOTE]
Who is Mike Kurylo again?? Is he some sort of big time analyst or something?? :sleeping
"Anthony has taken 93 field goal attempts to net 108 points, a poor ratio. And while the league average in true shooting percentage is usually around 54 percent, Anthony has a TS% of 50.2 percent for New York. Compare those numbers to Chauncey Billups, who has scored 93 points on only 49 shots, with a 65.5 TS% in the blue and orange, and it's clear who has been the better Knick thus far. "
Judging by Billups 65.5%TS, he would be considered the most efficient scoring guard of all-time...
Just cuz he gets to the line late in games and gets cheap FT's due to his FT%, doesn't make him a an efficient scorer..
He's simply getting much more FT's to FG's attempts than Carmelo Anthony.....TOO EASY
[QUOTE=bwink23]Some one tells you player A has a TS% of 55%....player B = 54%...what can you gather from that??[/QUOTE]
Nothing.
[QUOTE=bwink23]Who is Mike Kurylo again?? Is he some sort of big time analyst or something?? :sleeping
[/QUOTE]
[url]http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/34940/look-whos-shooting-now[/url]
Chauncy Billups in 2011....
40.3%FG, 32.8% from 3, and 90.2% FT's....TS%= 61.7%.
That's incredibly high for a mediocre FG shooter isn't it??
We know WHY that is:
12.3 FG's to 6.3 FT's....DUH :hammerhead: a 2:1 ratio...of course your TS% is gonna be high when your a 90.2%FT shooter, which by the way is what he always his, an outcome not affected by officiating...
Carmelo Anthony in 2011....
19.9 FG / 7.9 FT...a 2.52 to 1 ratio...BIG DIFFERENCE.
TS% = 55.7%
The difference is largely due to the ratio of FT's to FG's....that dude is comparing Billups scoring to Carmelos...
LOL...BIG FAIL right there...that's why a real analyst, he is NOT>