Re: How come in the Jordan era they had better TV ratings then now?
[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Nah son.
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[B]Why hasn't more channels, the internet, global warming, or whatever random excuse people come up with affected the Superbowl's ratings[/B] (which sets new highs every year) like it affected the NBA finals ratings after Jordan's retirement(s)?[/QUOTE]
Because it's the fvcking Super Bowl, you cannot be serious here. :facepalm
Super Sunday is basically a holiday in the States, even people who hate sports show up to watch and attend super bowl parties. It's no longer just a game, it's an event.
Re: How come in the Jordan era they had better TV ratings then now?
[QUOTE=RaininTwos]People are so idiotic, completely giving Jordan credit for the NBA's popularity like he wasn't following up on the NBA's explosion created by Magic and Larry.:facepalm[/QUOTE]
Good point. And don't forget Dr. J. who at least kept the NBA on life support until the Magic/Bird arrival.
Re: How come in the Jordan era they had better TV ratings then now?
If you know anything about the history of the NBA..you would know that those huge ratings for the NBA started in the 80s, with Bird and Magic..
Game 6 of the 1998 finals had a 22.3 rating..but the game 7 of 1988 had a 21.2 rating.
NBA was already huge..Jordan just made it bigger.
I think people just loved stars back then..way more than they do now..people had their own opinions..the internet has crippled everything when it comes to people being objective watching the game.
NFL is and will always be bigger than other sports..its shorter, more intense..more teams contending every year. Its part of the American culture..just like Baseball was before all the steroids thing destroyed it.
NBA is coming back though..we just live in a different age right now tho.
Re: How come in the Jordan era they had better TV ratings then now?
[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Nah son.
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Why hasn't more channels, the internet, global warming, or whatever random excuse people come up with affected the Superbowl's ratings (which sets new highs every year) like it affected the NBA finals ratings after Jordan's retirement(s)?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RaininTwos]Because it's the fvcking Super Bowl, you cannot be serious here. :facepalm
Super Sunday is basically a holiday in the States, even people who hate sports show up to watch and attend super bowl parties. It's no longer just a game, it's an event.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. The Super Bowl was a bad example. That's a once a year event that is, as you indicated, actually bigger than the game itself. Also, one of the reasons football remains so popular is because most teams play only once a week. Your favorite team doesn't play 3-4 times a week as with b-ball. Considering the fact that a NFL team's schedule is only 16 games and an NBA team's schedule is 82, there are literally 5 times as many opportunities to see your favorite NBA team as there are to see your favorite NFL team. The rarity of something always contributes to its value.
Re: How come in the Jordan era they had better TV ratings then now?
[QUOTE=RaininTwos]Because it's the fvcking Super Bowl, you cannot be serious here. :facepalm
Super Sunday is basically a holiday in the States, even people who hate sports show up to watch and attend super bowl parties. It's no longer just a game, it's an event.[/QUOTE]
And? :oldlol:
Why is the NFL not affected by the internet, more channels, more entertainment options, manbearpig, etc?
Is it just the NBA being affected by these miscellaneous factors while the NFL is immune?
Re: How come in the Jordan era they had better TV ratings then now?
[QUOTE=DonDadda59]And? :oldlol:
Why is the NFL not affected by the internet, more channels, more entertainment options, manbearpig, etc?
Is it just the NBA being affected by these miscellaneous factors while the NFL is immune?[/QUOTE]
:sleeping
Re: How come in the Jordan era they had better TV ratings then now?
[quote]Game 6 of the 1998 finals had a 22.3 rating..but the game 7 of 1988 had a 21.2 rating.[/quote]
True but can't compare game 6 to a game 7, what was game 6 of 1988 finals?....Had the 98 or the 93 finals extended to a final game 7, ratings would have approached 30 imo....nba ratings in 80s were good but cable/satellite really took off in the 90s which makes the bulls/jordan driven ratings rise after the 80s all the more remarkable....just about every sport went down in tv ratings post 80s but nba finals rose to record numbers when bulls started entering the nba finals.
Re: How come in the Jordan era they had better TV ratings then now?
[quote]Also, one of the reasons football remains so popular is because most teams play only once a week. Your favorite team doesn't play 3-4 times a week as with b-ball. [/quote]
football is bigger but not that much bigger as superbowl ratings would indicate...football is once a week not 4 times a week and nfl playoffs are not a series based...elimination is single game based like ncaa...overall viewership for a nba finals over a 7 game stretch is going to be pretty high
Re: How come in the Jordan era they had better TV ratings then now?
How do you expect casual fans to connect to the NBA and it's teams when 99% of it's games are shown on cable networks. Games broadcast over the air on local networks are far and few in between.
Most of the playoffs are on cable networks until the Finals. Not exactly easy to connect to these teams.
The NFL broadcast EVERY playoff game on local networks. This makes it easy for people to follow in the postseason.
Re: How come in the Jordan era they had better TV ratings then now?
[QUOTE=RaininTwos]People are so idiotic, completely giving Jordan credit for the NBA's popularity like he wasn't following up on the NBA's explosion created by Magic and Larry.:facepalm[/QUOTE]
It's common knowledge that Magic's and Bird's rivalry saved the league while Jordan took the league's popularity to the next level.
Both the 80's and 90's had "explosions" but the one in the 90's was the reason why the NBA became as popular as it did. And while comparisons of current players to legends are common place, you never really hear a player being deemed the next Bird, Magic, Wilt or whoever. There is only one player the league keeps looking to replace and that's Jordan. And for very good reason too.
The NBA is a business and wants to duplicate the impact Jordan had on the league. IMO it will never happen though. Two reasons.
First, the NBA had a lot of room for growth in the 80's and into the 90's. In the 90's, it attained that potential growth and hit a peak both nationally and internationally. All today's league can really hope for is to reattain that popularity and sustain it if they haven't already.
Second, I feel people lost interest in the league because it has become more about entertainment value rather than competition. Don't get me wrong because I still think the game is still competitive but it has lost its edge. Its become style over substance. Also with all the value players have nowadays, the league tries really hard to protect it's assets. And that takes away from truly enjoying the game. As a spectator, it's important to me to feel it was a fair game, as to comfortably say the better team won. Refs seem to dictate the outcome of game more so than ever these days and that will hurt any sport.
Re: How come in the Jordan era they had better TV ratings then now?
[QUOTE=Cali Syndicate]It's common knowledge that Magic's and Bird's rivalry saved the league while Jordan took the league's popularity to the next level.
Both the 80's and 90's had "explosions" but the one in the 90's was the reason why the NBA became as popular as it did. And while comparisons of current players to legends are common place, you never really hear a player being deemed the next Bird, Magic, Wilt or whoever. There is only one player the league keeps looking to replace and that's Jordan. And for very good reason too.
The NBA is a business and wants to duplicate the impact Jordan had on the league. IMO it will never happen though. Two reasons.
First, the NBA had a lot of room for growth in the 80's and into the 90's. In the 90's, it attained that potential growth and hit a peak both nationally and internationally. All today's league can really hope for is to reattain that popularity and sustain it if they haven't already.
Second, I feel people lost interest in the league because it has become more about entertainment value rather than competition. Don't get me wrong because I still think the game is still competitive but it has lost its edge. Its become style over substance. [B]Also with all the value players have nowadays, the league tries really hard to protect it's assets. And that takes away from truly enjoying the game.[/B] As a spectator, it's important to me to feel it was a fair game, as to comfortably say the better team won. Refs seem to dictate the outcome of game more so than ever these days and that will hurt any sport.[/QUOTE]
This is a great point that you made, and one that seems to get lost on the younger generation when it comes to Jordan. Back in the day, Jordan would get slapped, leveled by screens, undercut while in the air, and taken down on dunk attempts. Not every play of course, but it [I]did[/I] happen, and one of the BIGGEST reasons he became a low post "back to the basket" type of player. Contrary to popular opinion, he wasn't some coddled "Cash Cow" who wasn't allowed to be touched.
Guys were expected to "earn" those millions of dollars back then, through blood, sweat and tears. And the refs would let the players, for the most part, dictate the game, which made it more exciting, without constant breaks in the action. But like you said, with it being a "business" with corporate sponsorship all over the place, it was only a matter of time before the League started to suck.
The League does have its moments, but it's just not the same.
Re: How come in the Jordan era they had better TV ratings then now?
[QUOTE=Nevaeh]This is a great point that you made, and one that seems to get lost on the younger generation when it comes to Jordan. Back in the day, Jordan would get slapped, leveled by screens, undercut while in the air, and taken down on dunk attempts. Not every play of course, but it [I]did[/I] happen, and one of the BIGGEST reasons he became a low post "back to the basket" type of player. Contrary to popular opinion, he wasn't some coddled "Cash Cow" who wasn't allowed to be touched.
[B]Guys were expected to "earn" those millions of dollars back then, through blood, sweat and tears.[/B] And the refs would let the players, for the most part, dictate the game, which made it more exciting, without constant breaks in the action. But like you said, with it being a "business" with corporate sponsorship all over the place, it was only a matter of time before the League started to suck.
The League does have its moments, but it's just not the same.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37ZjiJb9Efk[/url]
Re: How come in the Jordan era they had better TV ratings then now?
[QUOTE=Heilige]Why aren't most people interested in the NBA now?[/quote]
The biggest thing is that Michael Jordan isn't playing. It is hard to even quantify his popularity and celebrity in terms that a young fan today could understand. He was must-see TV every time he took the floor.
The other thing is that the late-70s and early-80s set the scene for the popularity of basketball in the early-to-mid 90s.
Basketball was not a popular sport in the mid-70s.
Bird and Magic coming along really got people to start paying more attention to the NBA. After six years of those guys dominating the NBA headlines, this young kid with the Bulls starting wowing people.
So, as more people migrated over to the NBA to watch Bird/Magic, they became more aware of other things happening in the league, most notably this phenomenal young player.
So, the nation basically watched Jordan grow from a uniquely talented one-man show to the greatest player to ever lace them up playing on a team that was virtually unbeatable.
It was a perfect storm of factors that can't be duplicated... Although the league has tried several times since.
It was the right mix of players at the perfect time and then the rise of the GOAT while the entire nation was interested in basketball for the first time in a long time.
[QUOTE=Heilige]Also, in general why isn't the NBA as popular as the NFL? Would you say the reason is racial?[/QUOTE]
Meh, I think the hip-hop culture, especially in the early-00s, turned some people off. I really don't think that is a huge factor though.
Even in Jordan's prime, the NBA took a backseat to the NFL. America just loves football.
Re: How come in the Jordan era they had better TV ratings then now?
[QUOTE=RaininTwos]Because it's the fvcking Super Bowl, you cannot be serious here. :facepalm
Super Sunday is basically a holiday in the States, even people who hate sports show up to watch and attend super bowl parties. It's no longer just a game, it's an event.[/QUOTE]
It's not just the Super Bowl.
Check out ratings for the AFC/NFC Championships.... the Divisional round... Hell, a regular season game.
Football blows everything else out of the water and there is no argument otherwise.
To put things in perspective for you... Game 5 of the Finals, which everyone knew could be the final game of the season... It had, what? A rating of a little over 12?
They said that the game was seen by 18.5 million viewers. That was the close-out game and everyone knew that it could be the final game.
The NFC [I][B]Wildcard [/B][/I]Playoff Game this past NFL season was seen by 39.3 million viewers... Over double Game 5. And, that was for a [I][B]first round [/B][/I]playoff game.
[url]http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/media_entertainment/nielsens-tops-of-2011-television[/url]
To drive the point home even more, a Redskins/Cowboys regular season game on Monday Night Football last year... REGULAR SEASON... had 17.1 million viewers... Which was higher than the average rating for the five Heat/Thunder games in the Finals.
[url]http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/01/05/nfl-2011-tv-recap-record-37-shows-earn-more-than-20-million-viewers/115523/[/url]
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/23/sports/basketball/nba-finals-game-5-receives-high-tv-ratings.html[/url]
In other words... Don't f#ck with the NFL.
Re: How come in the Jordan era they had better TV ratings then now?
[QUOTE=Cali Syndicate]It's common knowledge that Magic's and Bird's rivalry saved the league while Jordan took the league's popularity to the next level.
Both the 80's and 90's had "explosions" but the one in the 90's was the reason why the NBA became as popular as it did. And while comparisons of current players to legends are common place, you never really hear a player being deemed the next Bird, Magic, Wilt or whoever. There is only one player the league keeps looking to replace and that's Jordan. And for very good reason too.
The NBA is a business and wants to duplicate the impact Jordan had on the league. IMO it will never happen though. Two reasons.
First, the NBA had a lot of room for growth in the 80's and into the 90's. In the 90's, it attained that potential growth and hit a peak both nationally and internationally. All today's league can really hope for is to reattain that popularity and sustain it if they haven't already.
Second, I feel people lost interest in the league because it has become more about entertainment value rather than competition. Don't get me wrong because I still think the game is still competitive but it has lost its edge. Its become style over substance. Also with all the value players have nowadays, the league tries really hard to protect it's assets. And that takes away from truly enjoying the game. As a spectator, it's important to me to feel it was a fair game, as to comfortably say the better team won. Refs seem to dictate the outcome of game more so than ever these days and that will hurt any sport.[/QUOTE]
The fact that it's become such a perimeter-oriented league makes it less interesting to watch, imo. Too much dribbling while waiting on a play to develop. Too much standing around when they don't have the ball. And big men have been taken out of the paint which has created a league where nearly everyone is a perimeter player. There's like 2 or 3 quality big men in the league. There isn't that balance between perimeter and post play anymore. It's like a glorified, super talented version of 4 on 4 at the local rec.
Even Phil Jackson admitted on [I]HBO Real Sports[/I] that he doesn't like watching the NBA anymore. Too much screen/roll, too much dribbling and not enough creativity.
