Ali because Ali never beat himself.
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Ali because Ali never beat himself.
Prime Lennox Lewis would beat both.
Smokin Joe Frazier > Tyson
And Clay handled Frazier just fine
Tyson reminds of a hw version of Andre berto. Tyson was clearly better than berto but not by nearly as much as the average Tyson fan would have you believe. He was a guy with good physical skills who couldn't make the jump from dominating cans to handling real competition.
[QUOTE=raiderfan19]Tyson reminds of a hw version of Andre berto. Tyson was clearly better than berto but not by nearly as much as the average Tyson fan would have you believe. He was a guy with good physical skills who couldn't make the jump from dominating cans to handling real competition.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]Prime Lennox Lewis would beat both.[/QUOTE]
Yep.
There isn't a heavyweight I'd take over Lennox to win a single fight apart from maybe Foreman.
Mike Tyson - The most overrated athlete in the history of sports.
Never has a guy been given the amount of leeway and the number of excuses as Tyson has over the years. People just prefer to believe the myth over the reality because it's more fun.
The reality? He was maybe the third best heavyweight of his generation. Maybe.
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]Mike Tyson - The most overrated athlete in the history of sports.
Never has a guy been given the amount of leeway and the number of excuses as Tyson has over the years. People just prefer to believe the myth over the reality because it's more fun.
The reality? He was maybe the third best heavyweight of his generation. Maybe.[/QUOTE]
Boxing has always been a longevity biased sport, and I'm fine with that, but to deny Mike being a very special fighter at his best is meh.
The way you've come to talk about Tyson in these discussions is bordering on the point of criminally underrating him. Not this particular post, but just in general.
He was a very special fighter at his best, and yes, it may have been short livem but its true.
Lewis doesn't have the footwork or the speed to stay with Ali. He would do a lot better than Tyson though. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=bdreason]Lewis doesn't have the footwork or the speed to stay with Ali. He would do a lot better than Tyson though. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Hes going to be planted in the middle of the ring, and keeping Ali at bay with his iron fist jab all night.
[QUOTE=plowking]Yep.
There isn't a heavyweight I'd take over Lennox to win a single fight apart from maybe Foreman.[/QUOTE]
Riddick Bowe
[QUOTE=plowking]Boxing has always been a longevity biased sport, and I'm fine with that, but to deny Mike being a very special fighter at his best is meh.
The way you've come to talk about Tyson in these discussions is bordering on the point of criminally underrating him. Not this particular post, but just in general.
He was a very special fighter at his best, and yes, it may have been short livem but its true.[/QUOTE]
I was raised on Tyson, but he was never a complete fighter. He was a devastating puncher who could dispose of anyone who would stand in front of him... but his technical abilities and boxing IQ was average at best. If his career had taken a different path, maybe he could have become a complete fighter.
Ali would most likely destroy any heavyweight in history. The only guy that would give him fits or would beat him would be Mike Tyson. Tyson was a very good fighter and it's too bad people will remember him during the Don King era. When he as young he had the ability to chop up his opponent. Break them down with body shots and then go for the head.
On the other hand, Ali vs any heavyweight in history would lose. I showed a buddy of mine some old Ali/Frazier fights and I remember he was so shocked when they announced it was a 15 round fight. Nobody does that crap anymore. It shows you how great Ali was. He was willing to go all the fuccking way.
Pristine footwork and hand speed, mentality and trash talking will give Ali the upper hand versus any fighter. Go watch Ali/Foreman and watch Ali lean on the ropes the entire fight. He would go on a flurry to win the rounds in the last minute of a round. Eventually, he knocked Foreman out. Causing Foreman to retire and fall into a deep depression.
Also, Ali was fighting at a time when racial tension was huge. Doesn't get any easier when he ducked the war too. He was admired and hated. I'm surprised nobody attempted to assassinate him. He was very controversial during that time. Knowing all of this, he still went out and beat everyone up and did it his way