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[QUOTE=bdreason]Obama didn't dig this hole.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, it was a hole dug collectively, by a lot of people that made a lot of poor decisions over decades.
I believe we all contributed to this hole and while I was not pleased with what the Government had to do as a fix I am aware that it was much better than the alternative. I think some people forget how bad 08 was and blaming Democrats for continuing the policies that were put in place in 08 is absurd.
[QUOTE=Balla_Status]Explain to me how you "pay" for a companies REDUCTION in the amount of taxes they pay to the government. You're not paying [COLOR="Black"]sh[/COLOR]it. Tax break =/= subsidy.[/QUOTE]
you need this explained??
i pay taxes. then, the us government decides to give massive tax breaks to your industry... is it really too hard for you to connect the dots on that one?
the only difference between a tax break and a subsidy is the letters used in the word. bottom line, they are both free (taxpayer) money from the government. if you want to argue semantics, you should talk to primetime or something.
[QUOTE=boozehound]yet another failure of your sub-par, less than well-rounded education. Otherwise you have read important social theorists, who are the fathers of modern democracy, and realize the social contract is the only thing that truly makes us human. Hell, even dumb animals like chimps care for the weaker members of their troupe. Meanwhile, we have the largest income disparity in the modern age (significantly higher than any other industrialized country) and an incredibly large portion of our society deals with daily food insecurity despite these social safety nets. [URL="http://www.nokidhungry.org/problem/overview"]http://www.nokidhungry.org/problem/overview[/URL][/QUOTE]
Oh, I've heard about the social contact. Doesn't mean I have to agree with it all the time.
I don't know what you meant about money-dominated view but I actually enjoy what I do. I just happen to get paid very well for it. I don't see the issue.
My brother works as an economics assistant (half grad student/half something else) and worked on a project in Chile where the government is trying to "push" citizens to start studying subjects that allow them to make more money so they can pay back the loans they receive from the government. Shouldn't people be a little more responsible and do some research about what jobs are available, salaries, job market for whatever they're studying? A "well-rounded" education (very relative term btw) is all well and good but if you're stuck paying back loans and then b[COLOR="Black"]it[/COLOR]ch about not being able to find a job (because you studied something that wasn't marketable to begin with), do you really have anything to stand on? Of course this can go in the "is college really for me" thread...
[QUOTE=Loneshot]Did you know you can't receive them if you are a student? I find that to be complete BS as if anyone needs them, it would be student struggling to make something better of themselves. Instead they have to choose between food and education.[/QUOTE]
What are you talking about? I got food stamps for a short bit when I was in undergrad. All you have to do is sign up for work study. The amount of hours can be as minimal as possible (I worked an hour a week just to get food).
[QUOTE=Nanners]you need this explained??
i pay taxes. then, the us government decides to give massive tax breaks to your industry... is it really too hard for you to connect the dots on that one?
the only difference between a tax break and a subsidy is the letters used in the word. bottom line, they are both free (taxpayer) money from the government. if you want to argue semantics, you should talk to primetime or something.[/QUOTE]
The government isn't giving any money to the industry...so how are they taking your tax money?
If I get a tax break for going to school, did someone else pay for that credit or did I just get a reduction in the amount of taxes I paid? A reduction.
A subsidy is a direct payment of actual tax money to something where a tax break is a REDUCTION in the amount of taxes someone paid. Not money paid to a company from taxes.
[QUOTE=Balla_Status]The government isn't giving any money to the industry...so how are they taking your tax money?
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Did you just claim the U.S. Government doesn't subsidize the Fossil-Fuel Industry? :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Balla_Status]
A subsidy is a direct payment of actual tax money to something where a tax break is a REDUCTION in the amount of taxes someone paid. Not money paid to a company from taxes.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol:
really? you dont see how these are basically identical?
[QUOTE=bdreason]Did you just claim the U.S. Government doesn't subsidize the Fossil-Fuel Industry? :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Find them.
And again, actual direct payments from the US government (subsidies).
Not tax deductions.
[QUOTE=Nanners]:oldlol:
really? you dont see how these are basically identical?[/QUOTE]
They're used interchangeably but there's a difference whether you want to act like it or not. You just eat up the s[COLOR="Black"]hi[/COLOR]t the media spews.
Like every other industry out there, they receive tax deductions. They receive absolutely no subsidies from the US government.
[QUOTE=boozehound]
So, we let these companies operate by paying their employees so little that they all qualify for federal assistance (effectively subsidizing walmarts labor costs) and [B][SIZE="4"]you have the audacity to call those on assistance the leeches? [/SIZE][/B]
SMFH at you. Still planning on staying on your parent's health insurance until age 26 while lambasting the affordable care act? Typical republican hypocrite. The reddest states have the highest federal $ coming back to them and the largest % of citizens on public assistance. Now, the curb federal spending governors of those states are scared shitless that the fiscal cliff will cause them to lose billions in funding. what kind of funding? oh yeah, federal funding.[/QUOTE]
You're taking what I said out of context.
Facts about Dem states:
[url]http://www.statemaster.com/graph/eco_wel_cas_tot_rec-economy-welfare-caseloads-total-recipients[/url]
[url]http://www.statemaster.com/graph/eco_wel_cas_tot_rec_percap-caseloads-total-recipients-per-capita[/url]
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[url=http://priceofoil.org/fossil-fuel-subsidies/]Fossil Fuel Subsidies in the US.[/url]
[QUOTE=Balla_Status]Find them.
And again, actual direct payments from the US government (subsidies).
Not tax deductions.[/QUOTE]
The government subsidies the Fossil-Fuel industry by giving them large tax credits in order to keep their business in the Country. The government does this with lots of industries, but it doesn't change the fact that the Government is collecting LESS tax revenue as a result of the subsidy.
[QUOTE=Scoooter][url=http://priceofoil.org/fossil-fuel-subsidies/]Fossil Fuel Subsidies in the US.[/url][/QUOTE]
Objective website. Nanners actually posted a legit study and I went through it...no subsidies like he claimed.
Those are tax breaks. Not subsidies.
[QUOTE=bdreason]The government subsidies the Fossil-Fuel industry by giving them large tax credits in order to keep their business in the Country. The government does this with lots of industries, but it doesn't change the fact that the Government is collecting LESS tax revenue as a result of the subsidy.[/QUOTE]
Subsidy=/= tax break. Right...they collect less tax revenue but it's a result of a tax BREAK. Not a subsidy. You don't pay any money to the O&G industry. Trust me.
fvcking hawker over here arguing semantics until he is blue in the face :oldlol:
hey moron....regardless of whether you want to call the handouts given to the fossil fuel industry tax breaks or subsidies.... for the US treasury, the bottom line is identical.
us taxpayers subsidize the profits of oil and gas companies. period. maybe its not a direct subsidy, but the numbers work out the same. and this is just monetary/tax subsidies, we havent even begun to talk about how the oil and gas industry externalizes their environmental and human health costs on to the US taxpayers.