Lebron James's ability to play with Stars

[QUOTE=Joey3000]Let me dumb it down for u a little more since u cant grasp my point.


Shaq
Hakeem
Bird
[B]Lebron[/B]
Paul

would defeat a team of

Shaq
Hakeem
Bird
[B]Jordan[/B]
Paul[/QUOTE]

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/PgoMvwb.gif[/IMG]

[QUOTE=ripthekik]Actually you know what. It's more beneficial to that team to add someone like Battier. Who doesn't need the ball on offense, can shoot the three, and can help defend the other team's star. This also allows the other 4 stars of the team to shine more, their usage goes up.

If lebron plays, he'll hold the ball in his hands most of the time. The other guys won't play up to their potential.. it'll be a disaster.

So yeah.. fail..[/QUOTE]


Soooo u are saying a team with Battier would be more succesfull than a team with Lebron?

Is this what it has come to? Are we this ignorant and blind? No team, no matter the make up would be better with battier than LBJ.

So yeah.... Fail.

OK now that u ran out of arguements, here comes the gifs.

[QUOTE=Joey3000]Soooo u are saying a team with Battier would be more succesfull than a team with Lebron?

Is this what it has come to? Are we this ignorant and blind? No team, no matter the make up would be better with battier than LBJ.

So yeah.... Fail.[/QUOTE]
Because it's not about throwing a team full of stars together. That doesn't work. When have you seen lebron play well without the ball? Let me help you here.. NEVER. Lebron's never adjusted to playing with stars. First year with Wade he tried.. what happened?

Second year Wade tried.. Lebron went back to his ball handling ways.

Yes, battier would help that team be more successful than lebron. He defends well, doesn't require the ball, and can be a spot up shooter creating space for the other 4 guys.

[QUOTE=Joey3000]Let me dumb it down for u a little more since u cant grasp my point.


Shaq
Hakeem
Bird
Lebron
Paul

would defeat a team of

Shaq
Hakeem
Bird
Jordan
Paul

Not because LBJ is a better individual player. But because LBJ would make every player on that stacked team better than MJ could make them.

Will MJ still be more clutch than Lebron? yes. But Bird would easily match MJ's clutchness with LBJ's support.

Shaq is a better Shaq with LBJ than Jordan.

Same for Hakeem.

Chris paul would still be involved in the offense with LBJ, where he would tuirn into a spot up shooter with that much talent on a team lead by MJ.

R u getting the point yet?[/QUOTE]
Shaq Hakeem Paul and Lebron thats a terrible fit on offence because all of them are so ball dominant.

Yes

Because Jordan and Pippen didn't win six rings

Because Shaq and Kobe didn't three-peat

Because Duncan does not have 3 finals MVPs

Because the Celtics don't exist

OP has a beautiful mind :bowdown:

OK let me help u guys:

Jordan is G.O.A.T. I'm 100% in agreement with that.

Now to surpass MJ you would:

1. Have to be as good in not better.

2. Must have the achievements to back up an arguement.

LBJ is great in his own rights. Not as good in some areas (clutch) but better in other areas (passer for example).

He is also well on his way to reaching achievements suchs as number of season and Finals MVP's. Titles, and other personal milestones.


[B][U][COLOR="Red"][U]IF[/U][/COLOR][/U][/B] lebron keeps this up, your only way to attack him will be saying things like "LBJ never won a dunk contest"

[QUOTE=Foster5k]He'll never be considered the G.O.A.T.

[B][U]Michael Jordan will always hold that title. You can't lose in the NBA Finals [b]TWICE[/B] and eclispe the great one, which is Jordan.[/U][/B]

Lebron is a super star player for the ages. His skill is undeniable. He is a freak of nature. He is the king.

But

He still falls short to Michael Jordan. The greatest of all time. Jordan was just that good.(Also, never backed out of a dunk contest....)[/QUOTE]

Is it better to lose in the Finals (Lebron) or lose in 1st round/miss playoffs (Jordan)?

Answer that one please....

To favor Jordan over Lebron because Jordan didnt go to the Finals with even worse team (even at 21) makes absolutely NO sense...............

[QUOTE=pauk]Before the age of 28 and having only scrubs around you is it better to lose in the Finals (Lebron) or lose in 1st round/miss playoffs (Jordan)..........

Answer that one please....[/QUOTE]

[IMG]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m77kxks5541rys4czo1_r1_500.gif[/IMG]

[QUOTE=pauk]Before the age of 28 and having only scrubs around you is it better to lose in the Finals (Lebron) or lose in 1st round/miss playoffs (Jordan)..........

Answer that one please....[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure why this way of thinking is still around. It's been called out quite a few times, but for some reason it still pops up every now and then.

Perhaps a better way to look at things would be to compare the number of series that each player won, with higher tiered series being progressively more valuable.

For example

[CODE]
[B]Jordan Series Wins[/B]
First Round - 10
Semifinals - 8
Conference Finals - 6
Finals - 6

[B]Lebron Series Wins[/B]
First Round - 7
Semifinals - 4
Conference Finals - 3
Finals - 1

[B]Magic Series Wins[/B]
First Round - 11
Semifinals - 10
Conference Finals - 9
Finals - 5
[/CODE]

[QUOTE=DatAsh]I'm not sure why this way of thinking is still around. It's been called out quite a few times, but for some reason it still pops up every now and then.

Perhaps a better way to look at things would be to compare the number of series that each player won, with higher tiered series being progressively more valuable.

For example

[CODE]
[B]Jordan Series Wins[/B]
First Round - 10
Semifinals - 8
Conference Finals - 6
Finals - 6

[B]Lebron Series Wins[/B]
First Round - 7
Semifinals - 4
Conference Finals - 3
Finals - 1

[B]Magic Series Wins[/B]
First Round - 11
Semifinals - 10
Conference Finals - 9
Finals - 5
[/CODE][/QUOTE]
It would be even better if you include loses in each series, as well if number of times they missed the playoffs. Then that would be the complete picture, wouldn't it?

[QUOTE=ripthekik]It would be even better if you include loses in each series, as well if number of times they missed the playoffs. Then that would be the complete picture, wouldn't it?[/QUOTE]

That information is already there.

[QUOTE=ripthekik] Jordan Series Wins
First Round - 10
Semifinals - 8
Conference Finals - 6
Finals - 6

Lebron Series Wins
First Round - 7
Semifinals - 4
Conference Finals - 3
Finals - 1

Magic Series Wins
First Round - 11
Semifinals - 10
Conference Finals - 9
Finals - 5[/QUOTE]

Based on those stats, LBJ is well on his way. G.O.A.T is his to lose.

2011

JORDAN UNDEFEATED IN FINALS

JORDAN WIN :applause: