Grant Hill on Derrick Rose... a must read... especially for Bulls fans

[QUOTE=Go Getter]And they won 60+ games to boot.:rockon:[/QUOTE]

Just realized that cat said Pau Gasol deserved the MVP more than Rose...

Holy shit, the idiotic trolling by some April 2013 kids is riveting.

I find it hilarious that non bulls fans are more pissed off and posting daily about why and when rose is coming back more then bulls fans themselves.

I know yall miss him but get over it, dude's not coming back this year.

That was pretty nice of Grant Hill to put a little perspective on this whole D-Rose situation. I am glad that Rose is sitting out until "HE" feels ready. There is so much pressure on this young man. The media and fans wanting him to go out there and play. Play at what level? Will folks be happy if he is playing at 20%, 60%, 75%? Nope. So when Rose is ready, HE will play.

Grant Hill should sign with the Heat during the off season. I want to see him win a championship.

[QUOTE=SCdac]Huh? :rolleyes:
You are the one going off on tangents about "internet thugs" and other nonsense.
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It wasn't a tangent. If you read Kblaze statement he consistently talked about people in real time acting differently (in fact he did a full four times!). But that wasn't part of my back and fourth with you in the first place.
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You are the one getting emotional about something being widely talked about in the sports world.

Just google "Derrick Rose" in google news... this is not an issue that's living and breathing on just basketball message boards or being talked about by "nerdy people behind their computers".

[B]Derrick Rose: Your team needs you, it's time to suit up[/B]
[url]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1634232-derrick-rose-your-team-needs-you-its-time-to-suit-up[/url]

[B]Bull's Derrick Rose Stand out for not toughing it out[/B]
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/08/sports/basketball/bulls-derrick-rose-stands-out-for-not-toughing-it-out.html?_r=0[/url]

[B]Controversy festers around Bulls' Derrick Rose[/B]
[url]http://www.oregonlive.com/nba/index.ssf/2013/05/nba_high-5_360.html[/url]

[B]Derrick Rose and the Bulls' history of letting players break themselves[/B]
[url]http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/5/8/4311600/derrick-rose-chicago-bulls-injury-luol-deng-doctors[/url]

[B]Should Derrick Rose Return?[/B]
[url]http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2013/story/_/id/9253866/coast-coast-discussing-derrick-rose-potential-return[/url]

[B]Derrick Rose, by any other name, is making the right call by not playing for the Bulls[/B]
[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/derrick-rose-by-any-other-name-is-making-the-right-call-by-not-playing-for-chicago-bulls/2013/05/07/515f7658-b75d-11e2-b94c-b684dda07add_story.html[/url]

These articles vary in their tone, opinions, suggestions, etc, etc...

But the point is, nobody should feel guilty for having an opinion on the matter. Again, the whole basketball world is talking about it.[/QUOTE]

I know what is out there. Trust me, if I thought you weren't somewhat of an independent thinker I wouldn't pursue this. You need to see the documentary "the central park five." The media creates frenzies sometimes. Primary sources are always better than anything else. Most things outside of that can lead you anywhere. You were one of the few who reiterated what I said about the Front Office, Doctors or Rose himself are the only trusted sources.

But even with that, you thread both sides of the fence really hard but have this need to cast a big cloud of doubt on Rose, even beyond the common stuff. You said he made money off of the rehab, and I think it was you said he ruined several of your fantasy leagues. So he's a fantasy killer that makes money off of his injuries. This stuff is hilarious.

[QUOTE=Rockets(T-mac)]The biggest issue isn't even him not playing, if he or the Bulls would just come out and say "he's not playing" then people wouldn't talk about so much. When the dude is like my status is up in the air, obviously everyone is going to get annoyed.

He could even come back after they officially said he won't, if he felt like it, but they are just idiotic for not saying anything.[/QUOTE]

How does he come out and say he is not playing when someone in Bulls management thru him under the bus by saying he had been cleared to return? In other words, what you asking him to do is to come out and say the exact opposite of what his boss has said. To be in conflict with management... to be in conflict with his boss.

When that story leaked from the Bulls they put Rose in a no win situation. Either come back before you are ready or say the exact opposite of what management just said and say that you going to be out the whole year.

[QUOTE=Go Getter]Grant Hill made a clear comparison of his situation and Rose's.

smh...I can explain it to you...I can't understand it for you:facepalm

Whoever you got your HS diploma from needs to be slapped repeatedly.[/QUOTE]

Yes. It's so crazy to expect a NBA player that is medically cleared to play and practicing....to play.

I don't know why he isn't. Neither do you. You claim to more know than you possibly could.

The sports world...including media members close to the Bulls are left dumbfounded as well.

There are many opinions going around. I don't care what the opinions are.

But, like I have said from the very beginning....if Rose is hurt...he shouldn't play.

The problem? All the evidence points to him not being hurt and him sitting out because...well, he doesn't feel like playing. Did I get that right?

I don't care what Grant Hill or anyone else says....you aren't more likely to get injured once your ACL is healed. And if it's healed...like all evidence points to...sitting out doesn't change anything.

If you can't grasp that simple concept then you are just too stupid to even converse with.

The only reason this isn't even a bigger deal is because everyone seems to like Rose. If Carmelo was doing this...it would be a different situation...completely.

And Rose never distanced himself from his brothers' comments. So how are we supposed to know how he truly feels if he hasn't said anything.

And LOL at someone claiming he was thrown under the bus because someone in the Bulls organization said he was medically cleared. Why should that be kept a secret?

Do you really not remember people in the media at first saying that even if he was ready...he should sit because the Bulls just aren't that good. That was the narrative they created to protect Rose...and that was around the time of those comments from the Rose camp.

Obviously that myth has been blown out of the water. So now Rose defenders are left scrambling. He's no longer hurt...and the Bulls are certainly a championship supporting cast. So what excuses does he have left? "muscle memory"...hahahahaah

[QUOTE=Pointguard]It wasn't a tangent. If you read Kblaze statement he consistently talked about people in real time acting differently (in fact he did a full four times!). But that wasn't part of my back and fourth with you in the first place.


I know what is out there. Trust me, if I thought you weren't somewhat of an independent thinker I wouldn't pursue this. You need to see the documentary "the central park five." The media creates frenzies sometimes. Primary sources are always better than anything else. Most things outside of that can lead you anywhere. You were one of the few who reiterated what I said about the Front Office, Doctors or Rose himself are the only trusted sources.

But even with that, you thread both sides of the fence really hard but have this need to cast a big cloud of doubt on Rose, even beyond the common stuff. [B]You said he made money off of the rehab, and I think it was you said he ruined several of your fantasy leagues. So he's a fantasy killer that makes money off of his injuries. This stuff is hilarious.[/B][/QUOTE]

:wtf:

I think you're just believing what you want to believe at this point, which is erie. I never said any of that, and your assertions lead me to believe your looking for somebody to take your anger out on. Your posts on ISH are usually pretty interesting and informative, but what's erie is, I sense you're going off the deep end in relation to this Rose-topic.

The "big cloud of doubt" that "I am casting" isn't irrational or irregular by any means. As mentioned and noted, there are a plethora of news articles on major sites essentially asking the same questions and concerns as me and so many others. Rose has been off the NBA court for over a year now, which is longer than the predicted amount of time it would take him to recover (a year). As mentioned, Rose himself has stated he's within days of returning.

Either way, if merely talking about Derrick Rose in either a negative or positive connotation bothers you to the core, I recommend staying out of these topics and maybe even staying off ISH. This is not some media fabrication nor is it an army of internet nerds going after Rose. It's an NBA topic being talked about on an NBA board.

Do people understand that Rose has been cleared by his own doctor? Not the doctor being payed by the bulls. His own personal doctor.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Spot minutes to give Nate a rest?

You could have Oscar robertson off the bench for spot minutes and not be the difference between losing by 40 and being in the game.

If hes not Derrick Rose I dont know why hes playing unless its strictly motivation. But knowing this team as I do...I dont think they would play any harder.

Have you see Nate? Noah? Butler? Taj?

They strike you as guys only going 80% waiting for Rose to come motivate them to 100?

These Bulls arent a bunch of Jerome James looking for motivation.

They go hard all the time.

If he feels he can suit up...im happy to have him.

But if its [B]to be Nates backup and help out a bit he might as well chill.[/B][/QUOTE]
Why though? You think he can't help from that position? Bulls almost got beaten by Nets and Rose could have helped them off the bench for a shorter series. Or at the very least try.

[QUOTE=SCdac]:wtf:

I think you're just believing what you want to believe at this point, which is erie. I never said any of that, and your assertions lead me to believe your looking for somebody to take your anger out on. Your posts on ISH are usually pretty interesting and informative, but what's erie is, I sense you're going off the deep end in relation to this Rose-topic.

The "big cloud of doubt" that "I am casting" isn't irrational or irregular by any means. As mentioned and noted, there are a plethora of news articles on major sites essentially asking the same questions and concerns as me and so many others. Rose has been off the NBA court for over a year now, which is longer than the predicted amount of time it would take him to recover (a year). As mentioned, Rose himself has stated he's within days of returning.

Either way, if merely talking about Derrick Rose in either a negative or positive connotation bothers you to the core, I recommend staying out of these topics and maybe even staying off ISH. This is not some media fabrication nor is it an army of internet nerds going after Rose. It's an NBA topic being talked about on an NBA board.[/QUOTE]

I just heard Wilbon say Rose is mentally scared to come back...not in a negative way, but that he's scared to come back.

You Bulls fans are obviously in denial it's pathetic. I guarentee if he still doesn't come back at the start of next year you WILL try to justify it. If you give me "you won't" you're a liar. You worship and pray to a man who cheated on his SAT

You can write an article up in Shakespearean and it wouldn't make Rose sitting out any less stupid.

There is absolutely no reason why a high-level player should sit out if he is physically healthy. ****ing Lamar Odom played the game and he was mentally screwed over!!!

There is only two explanations for this. 1. Derrick actually is ok with not playing and collecting paychecks and is exploiting that. 2. Derrick is a *****.

There is no other logical reason why he would be sitting out. None. Nada. Zero.

[QUOTE=atljonesbro]You Bulls fans are obviously in denial it's pathetic. I guarentee if he still doesn't come back at the start of next year you WILL try to justify it. If you give me "you won't" you're a liar. You worship and pray to a man who cheated on his SAT[/QUOTE]

This.

There is some weird fascination with Rose...his fans can't even admit when he plays a poor game.

Now they have to do all this work to try and make a simple issue complicated.

It's simple. He's fine physically and is scared to come back now because he's afraid he might hurt himself again. That is what is going on. Everyone in the ****ing world can see it but Rose morons.

And that is fine...I understand why Rose would feel that way. But that doesn't mean we can't criticize a player for not playing for "mental" reasons.

[QUOTE=ThatsGame]You can write an article up in Shakespearean and it wouldn't make Rose sitting out any less stupid.

There is absolutely no reason why a high-level player should sit out if he is physically healthy. ****ing Lamar Odom played the game and he was mentally screwed over!!!

There is only two explanations for this. 1. Derrick actually is ok with not playing and collecting paychecks and is exploiting that. 2. Derrick is a *****.

There is no other logical reason why he would be sitting out. None. Nada. Zero.[/QUOTE]

And the other part that is often ignored...Rose's camp came out saying Rose shouldn't come back because the team isn't good enough. The media happened to agree with his campe on this...ROFL

Did Rose distance himself from that? Nope. And then you have Rose fans getting all hot and bothered about someone saying maybe that is how Rose feels as well and didn't initially come back because he didn't think they had a chance to do anything.

All we are doing is drawing logical conclusions based on the evidence.

Rose can do anything he wants. But the minute there is evidence to support that a player is not playing for mental reasons...I will criticize the player...especially the way Rose has handled this with all this...."i might come back...i might not BS"