#apples2oranges

[QUOTE=Poochymama]Jordan with Kobe's career path would be pretty unfair. Jordan/Shaq from 97-04' would have torn up the league in a way that hasn't been seen since the 60's Celtics.

Speaking in terms of the most likely outcome, bolded are most likely championship years.

Lakers:
[B]1997 - Shaq/85 MJ[/B] Shaq best player
1998 - Shaq/86' MJ
[B]1999 - Shaq/87' MJ[/B] Shaq best player
[B]2000 - Shaq/ 88' MJ[/B] Shaq best player
[B]2001 - Shaq/ 89' MJ[/B] Jordan best player
[B]2002 - Shaq/ 90' MJ[/B] Jordan best player
[B]2003 - Shaq/ 91' MJ[/B] Jordan best player
[B]2004 - Shaq/ 92' MJ/ Malone/ GP[/B] Jordan best player
2005 - 93' MJ - Ridiculous stats
2006 - DNP
2007 - DNP
[B]2008 - 96' Jordan/ Gasol[/B] Jordan best player
[B]2009 - 97' Jordan/ Gasol [/B]Jordan best player
[B]2010 - 98' Jordan/ Gasol[/B] Jordan best player

10 Championships :eek: That's just insane, though a lot of that timing with when Jordan retired and Kobe's team's sucking is pure luck.

Bulls:
1985 - 97' Kobe
1986 - 98' Kobe
1987 - 99' Kobe
1988 - 00' Kobe
1989 - 01' Kobe/ Pip
1990 - 02' Kobe/ Pip
[B]1991 - 03' Kobe/ Pip[/B] Kobe best player
1992 - 04' Kobe/ Pip
1993 - 05' Kobe/ Pip
[B]1994 - 06' Kobe/ Pip/ Grant[/B] Kobe best player
1995 - 07' Kobe/ Pip Kobe best player
[B]1996 - 08' Kobe/ Pip/ Rodman[/B]
[B]1997 - 09' Kobe/ Pip/ Rodman[/B]
[B]1998 - 10' Kobe/ Pip/ Rodman[/B]
1999 - 11' Kobe
2000 - 12' Kobe
2001 - 13' Kobe

Kobe would have still had major success with those Bulls teams, in all likelihood we're looking at 5 championships with 5 FMVP, better than what he has now. Like with Jordan, a lot of it's timing, but still. This really puts Kobe's longevity in perspective with Jordan's. Even without an early retirement, he still outlasts him by 3 years and counting.[/QUOTE]

LOlOLOLOLOLOLOL @ this whole post. just no. LOL @ this whole thread forr that matter. Kobe stans scrambling on the defensive LOLOLOL

[QUOTE=Poochymama]Jordan with Kobe's career path would be pretty unfair. Jordan/Shaq from 97-04' would have torn up the league in a way that hasn't been seen since the 60's Celtics.

Speaking in terms of the most likely outcome, bolded are most likely championship years.

Lakers:
[B]1997 - Shaq/85 MJ[/B] Shaq best player
1998 - Shaq/86' MJ
[B]1999 - Shaq/87' MJ[/B] Shaq best player
[B]2000 - Shaq/ 88' MJ[/B] Shaq best player
[B]2001 - Shaq/ 89' MJ[/B] Jordan best player
[B]2002 - Shaq/ 90' MJ[/B] Jordan best player
[B]2003 - Shaq/ 91' MJ[/B] Jordan best player
[B]2004 - Shaq/ 92' MJ/ Malone/ GP[/B] Jordan best player
2005 - 93' MJ - Ridiculous stats
2006 - DNP
2007 - DNP
[B]2008 - 96' Jordan/ Gasol[/B] Jordan best player
[B]2009 - 97' Jordan/ Gasol [/B]Jordan best player
[B]2010 - 98' Jordan/ Gasol[/B] Jordan best player

10 Championships :eek: That's just insane, though a lot of that timing with when Jordan retired and Kobe's team's sucking is pure luck.

Bulls:
1985 - 97' Kobe
1986 - 98' Kobe
1987 - 99' Kobe
1988 - 00' Kobe
1989 - 01' Kobe/ Pip
1990 - 02' Kobe/ Pip
[B]1991 - 03' Kobe/ Pip[/B] Kobe best player
1992 - 04' Kobe/ Pip
1993 - 05' Kobe/ Pip
[B]1994 - 06' Kobe/ Pip/ Grant[/B] Kobe best player
1995 - 07' Kobe/ Pip Kobe best player
[B]1996 - 08' Kobe/ Pip/ Rodman[/B]
[B]1997 - 09' Kobe/ Pip/ Rodman[/B]
[B]1998 - 10' Kobe/ Pip/ Rodman[/B]
1999 - 11' Kobe
2000 - 12' Kobe
2001 - 13' Kobe

Kobe would have still had major success with those Bulls teams, in all likelihood we're looking at 5 championships with 5 FMVP, better than what he has now. Like with Jordan, a lot of it's timing, but still. This really puts Kobe's longevity in perspective with Jordan's. Even without an early retirement, he still outlasts him by 3 years and counting.[/QUOTE]

I don't see any reason why the lakers wouldn't win in 98 since the 98 bulls wouldn't be the same. I'd probably say they are more likely to lose in 97 and/or 08.

And I don't see any version of Kobe leading those bulls to the title in 98. And by the way, for at least the first 5 years, I don't see Kobe even getting out of the first round. And I'm not so sure 03 Kobe leads them to a title in 91 since he really wasn't close to the leader Jordan was, which may or may not be needed.

[QUOTE=chosen_one6]Kobe tried so hard during his career to act, speak, and be competitive like Jordan. Now all of a sudden he doesn't want to be compared? It's a little late for that you f*cking hypocrite.[/QUOTE]
Kobe's said it before. "Stop with the comparisons. He's the greatest of all time." So he's not being a hypocrite.

BitterBE

[QUOTE=Nash]If Jordan got drafted into a team with prime Shaq in it he would have had 10 rings by now.[/QUOTE]

If Jordan punched teammates for not playing hard enough in practice, how long would he have lasted with out-of-shape Shaq? Or are we pretending that Shaq was a loveable teammate who no one except Kobe had major issues with?

[QUOTE=SpecialQue]If Jordan punched teammates for not playing hard enough in practice, how long would he have lasted with out-of-shape Shaq? Or are we pretending that Shaq was a loveable teammate who no one except Kobe had major issues with?[/QUOTE]
Jordan stans always ignore this. :oldlol:

MJ would not have coexisted with shaq.. It would've been Shaqs team, Shaqs fmvps, Shaqs rings.. MJ fresh out of college wasn't the type of leader he grew into after his trials with the pistons and Celtics.. And he wasn't close to peak Shaqs level yet.

Of course Jordan with Shaq wouldn't last long. Both has personality problems that clashed. But Jordan will still get his rings regardless because he would choose good teams to play with.

[QUOTE=lebeast666]Fvck off Chuckbe, you ain't no MJ. Be glad you got them rings gifted to you.[/QUOTE]
What gift?

[QUOTE=SpecialQue]If Jordan punched teammates for not playing hard enough in practice, how long would he have lasted with out-of-shape Shaq? Or are we pretending that Shaq was a loveable teammate who no one except Kobe had major issues with?[/QUOTE]
are we pretending this is some kind of love fest or are we talking about championships? Kobe got lucky with Shaq, he wouldn't have had 3 extra rings if it wasn't Shaq. Jordan never had that luxury.

[QUOTE=iamgine]Of course Jordan with Shaq wouldn't last long. Both has personality problems that clashed. But Jordan will still get his rings regardless because he would choose good teams to play with.[/QUOTE]
Well you have people saying they'd win 10+ rings.. Lol. First off MJ got bored after three rings on less stacked teams. How would he feel playing with shaq? It'd be no contest. He'd be looking for a new challenge.

Could and would are very different things.

[QUOTE=Poochymama]

Bulls:
1985 - 97' Kobe
1986 - 98' Kobe
1987 - 99' Kobe
1988 - 00' Kobe
1989 - 01' Kobe/ Pip
1990 - 02' Kobe/ Pip
[B]1991 - 03' Kobe/ Pip[/B] Kobe best player
1992 - 04' Kobe/ Pip
1993 - 05' Kobe/ Pip
[B]1994 - 06' Kobe/ Pip/ Grant[/B] Kobe best player
1995 - 07' Kobe/ Pip Kobe best player
[B]1996 - 08' Kobe/ Pip/ Rodman[/B]
[B]1997 - 09' Kobe/ Pip/ Rodman[/B]
[B]1998 - 10' Kobe/ Pip/ Rodman[/B]
1999 - 11' Kobe
2000 - 12' Kobe
2001 - 13' Kobe

Kobe would have still had major success with those Bulls teams, in all likelihood we're looking at 5 championships with 5 FMVP, better than what he has now. Like with Jordan, a lot of it's timing, but still. This really puts Kobe's longevity in perspective with Jordan's. Even without an early retirement, he still outlasts him by 3 years and counting.[/QUOTE]
Kobe lead team would win 5 titles from 91' to 98'...mmmkay.

[QUOTE=tpols]Well you have people saying they'd win 10+ rings.. Lol. First off MJ got bored after three rings on less stacked teams. How would he feel playing with shaq? It'd be no contest. He'd be looking for a new challenge.

Could and would are very different things.[/QUOTE]
MJ and Kobe were different players and leaders.

Only thing MJ ever wanted to do was WIN. Kobe wants to win for himself which is what tons of us have been saying for years and Phil confirmed this.

Shaq and MJ dynamic would've been different, MJ would've adjusted his game and been a more athletic explosive version of Magic.

There's also no way MJ shoots under 50% with Shaq, he's shooting 55% for most of his career, with almost double the assists, steals and more blocks.

Also, MJ didn't come into the league disrespecting his teammates and coaches. MJ was shy to even be a vocal leader his rookie year because he deferred to vets, which is Kobe's opposite.

[QUOTE=andgar923]MJ and Kobe were different players and leaders.

Only thing MJ ever wanted to do was WIN. Kobe wants to win for himself which is what tons of us have been saying for years and Phil confirmed this.

Shaq and MJ dynamic would've been different, MJ would've adjusted his game and been a more athletic explosive version of Magic.

There's also no way MJ shoots under 50% with Shaq, he's shooting 55% for most of his career, with almost double the assists, steals and more blocks.[/QUOTE]
So MJ would've averaged 10+ assists in the same triangle he played in his whole career because shaq was there. Jordan would've become air Johnson except instead of high flying dunks he'd be soaring through the air throwing oops to shaq at the last second. :oldlol:

MJ wouldn't be able to handle shaq winning fmvps and getting all the glory in June and then coming into camp with a big Mac in hand in October. That would never fly and they would be at each others throats pretty quickly.

[QUOTE=tpols]Well you have people saying they'd win 10+ rings.. Lol. First off MJ got bored after three rings on less stacked teams. How would he feel playing with shaq? It'd be no contest. He'd be looking for a new challenge.

Could and would are very different things.[/QUOTE]
Also, which part of MJ being a superior leader did you not understand?

Do you seriously think MJ and Shaq would've had the same issues?

Perhaps to some degree, but the ultimate goal was to WIN and MJ would've stayed the course.

[QUOTE=tpols]MJ wouldn't be able to handle shaq winning fmvps and getting all the glory in June and then coming into camp with a big Mac in hand in October. That would never fly and they would be at each others throats pretty quickly.[/QUOTE]
Why do you automatically assume Shaq would be winning FMVPs when MJ was the better/more productive player? Why would MJ have a problem with Shaq if they were WINNING?