[QUOTE=NumberSix]Derrick rose is a glorified role player.
[COLOR="White"]Lol. Ok, now I'm trolling. [/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Role player makes a team a 60+ win team?
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[QUOTE=NumberSix]Derrick rose is a glorified role player.
[COLOR="White"]Lol. Ok, now I'm trolling. [/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Role player makes a team a 60+ win team?
because he's a vag. and we all know vags don't deserve MVPs.
[QUOTE=juju151111]So how did they win 60+ with him and his frontline missing like 70 games and was playing injured even when they cane back?[/QUOTE]
Maybe we should give Keith Bogans all the credit. Why is it automatically all due to Rose?
MVP's are overrated. FMVP is where it's at. Come on now. Kobe has only 1. I think he should have at least 3. Dude was dropping 40+ points a game every night and still didn't win. That right there is enough for me to not care about it.
[QUOTE=ihoopallday]MVP's are overrated. FMVP is where it's at. Come on now. Kobe has only 1. I think he should have at least 3. Dude was dropping 40+ points a game every night and still didn't win. That right there is enough for me to not care about it.[/QUOTE]
FMVP requires the rest of the players on your team to be good enough to win a championship. I don't judge a guy based on how good other people are. I don't penalize a doctor because his brother is an idiot. I don't like my mom less because her brother is a scumbag.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]FMVP requires the rest of the players on your team to be good enough to win a championship. I don't judge a guy based on how good other people are. I don't penalize a doctor because his brother is an idiot. I don't like my mom less because her brother is a scumbag.[/QUOTE]
:lol Can't disagree with that. I guess I just don't think players like LeBron should be judged by MVP's. They're too good for all that.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]It's not the most improved 3 point shooting award.
Anyways, his 3 point shooting didn't hurt his efficiency. It upgraded it. His .332 is the equivalent of 50% efficiency wise. So it didn't harm him in anyway in the efficiency metrics.[/QUOTE]
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Don't know exactly what you're talking about.
The point I was making was, Rose would easily be above 45% FG if he took less threes. In his two previous years he was way above 45%, it would be foolish of you to overlook that. We are not looking at a small rise in 3 point attempts but 4 extra shots that were 3s averaging .332 which directly affects his FG%. If you are using FG% as your argument as to why Rose didn't deserve it, I accuse you of being a boxscore warrior and not actually watching the games in which he clearly improved.
Now, the reason AI and Rose were awarded the MVP's, was not based on their stats or FG%, it was based on MVP criteria that every winner of the MVP has met with few exceptions...
idiots.
both joakim and boozer missed half of that season. dwight had a great year, be he also did a disservice to his team when the offense ran through him. the magic were a better team when they moved the ball, but dwight demanded the ball therefore they turned into a half court team.
why u think they got bounced in the first round against the hawks? that was enough proof to me that he didn't deserve it.
assholes wanna bring up the bulls success this past season. what about last playoffs when rose went down? did the bulls advance? we see what they can do without rose, now we have to see if rose can take them to the top. rose has no excuse about having inferior talent. team got heart - thats all u need
[QUOTE=Bucket_Nakedz]idiots.
both joakim and boozer missed half of that season. dwight had a great year, be he also did a disservice to his team when the offense ran through him. the magic were a better team when they moved the ball, but dwight demanded the ball therefore they turned into a half court team.
why u think they got bounced in the first round against the hawks? that was enough proof to me that he didn't deserve it.[/QUOTE]
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Ask Rose if he felt like he was the MVP after LeBron ended his career in the ECF.
If it's not LeBron Dirk would have been a good pick as well. To knowledgeable basketball fans Dirks playoff run wasn't that big of a surprise. He was great all year and EXTREMELY valuable to his team.
Dallas's Record with Dirk: 55-18([B].753[/B])
Dallas Record w/o Dirk: 2-7([B].222)[/B]
With Dirk in the lineup, Dallas would have been on pace for the 1st seed in the West. It's obvious being a 3rd seed hurt him. San Antonio was the 1st seed with a 61-21([B].744[/B]) record.
Dirk just wasn't a sexy pick. In 2011 all anyone cared about was the Heat, and the Bulls having a better record/beating them in meaningless regular season game was enough to fuel the media hype machine.
Theres a reason people routinely call Rose one of if not the worst winner of the MVP award in the history of the league.
[QUOTE=TonyMontana]Ask Rose if he felt like he was the MVP after LeBron ended his career in the ECF.
If it's not LeBron Dirk would have been a good pick as well. To knowledgeable basketball fans Dirks playoff run wasn't that big of a surprise. He was great all year and EXTREMELY valuable to his team.
Dallas's Record with Dirk: 55-18([B].753[/B])
Dallas Record w/o Dirk: 2-7([B].222)[/B]
With Dirk in the lineup, Dallas would have been on pace for the 1st seed in the West. It's obvious being a 3rd seed hurt him. San Antonio was the 1st seed with a 61-21([B].744[/B]) record.
Dirk just wasn't a sexy pick. In 2011 all anyone cared about was the Heat, and the Bulls having a better record/beating them in meaningless regular season game was enough to fuel the media hype machine.
[B]Theres a reason people routinely call Rose one of if not the worst winner of the MVP award in the history of the league.[/B][/QUOTE]
Hmm, you, Numbersix and a couple of known Rose haters are the people you are referring to. Sounds like solid evidence to me :lol
[QUOTE=poido123]Hmm, you, Numbersix and a couple of known Rose haters are the people you are referring to. Sounds like solid evidence to me :lol[/QUOTE]
How am I a "Rose hater"? :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=NumberSix]How am I a "Rose hater"? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
You don't have much nice things to say about a guy who has done little wrong..
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"Saying they only won 45 games without Rose is
deceiving because of all the injuries. They would
have been a easy 50+ win team without with
good health."
Perhaps it would be if they were not more injured when they won 62.
They were running with Kurt Thomas for a while there. Won at a 63 win place without Noah. Great without boozer too.
Three defense was there. Coach. Nosh.
Rose not being there was the difference between number one and being the nets.
Wasn't one season either. They won at a 68 win pace with him in 2012 too.
And i suspect they go back to the 60 win range this year. And i bet people will act like it's just by chance