Will we ever see another Wilt?

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]lol @ you presuming to know anything about what kind of numbers Wilt would put up, let alone attempting to correct someone :oldlol:

You think Wilt would be Kevin Love in todays NBA. Your a clown, stick to topics you know something about.[/QUOTE]

First of all, Kevin Love never put up 25-16, and second, his team sucked in the 2011 season, and he was allowed to statpad all he wanted. Are you now trying to say shaq is as good as klove?

25-16 is good stats, that is as good as 27-14, which is what [B]shaq[/B] produced.


By the quotes of CavaliersFTW : "You think Shaq would be Kevin Love in todays NBA. Your a clown, stick to topics you know something about"

[QUOTE=blood yes]HELL NO at 22 rebounds.

At most, wilt today would average 25 and 16.

And i like how you totally evaded the main point of the topic.

Just admit it, you were not thinking straight when you made this thread, a 4 year old would know nobody willl ever repeat the stats wilt put up in the 1960s unless a crazy rule change in the nba happens[/QUOTE]


I suggest you go back to lurking.

I made this thread to have something to talk about in a slow offseason, with so many Jordan vs Lebron vs Kobe threads I offered up something different.

You assuming Wilt would average 25 and 16 is your opinion, not fact. Same as me saying Wilt would average 25 and 22.

You can not assume no one will ever reach the statistical performances of Wilt, because you simply don't know the future or what rules changes may happen in the next 50 years or so.

It's not out of the question, you have no idea who will come along and change the game of basketball..

[QUOTE=blood yes]First of all, Kevin Love never put up 25-16, and second, his team sucked in the 2011 season, and he was allowed to statpad all he wanted. Are you now trying to say shaq is as good as klove?

25-16 is good stats, that is as good as 27-14, which is what [B]shaq[/B] produced.


By the quotes of CavaliersFTW : "You think Shaq would be Kevin Love in todays NBA. Your a clown, stick to topics you know something about"[/QUOTE]

I'm not a Wilt guy, but I'm curious. Wilt had three distinct phases to his career: (a) dedicated volume scorer (b) high post passer (c) dedicated defensive anchor. What numbers do you think he'd put up in each of those three phases (not that I care either way, but it's hard to think of it that way; the guy had a weird career)?

[QUOTE=poido123]I suggest you go back to lurking.

I made this thread to have something to talk about in a slow offseason, with so many Jordan vs Lebron vs Kobe threads I offered up something different.

You assuming Wilt would average 25 and 16 is your opinion, not fact. Same as me saying Wilt would average 25 and 22.

You can not assume no one will ever reach the statistical performances of Wilt, because you simply don't know the future or what rules changes may happen in the next 50 years or so.

It's not out of the question, you have no idea who will come along and change the game of basketball..[/QUOTE]

Can you read? I said "unless a major rule change happens"

And also, do you honestly think 50 and 30 can happen again?

Michael Jordan, KAJ, Shaq, LeBron, Kobe, MAJ, Bird, and others never came close to the stats wilt did, and im sure u have jordan over wilt.

I repeat, nobody in the nba will average 50 and 30 unless a major rule change occurs

[QUOTE=fpliii]I'm not a Wilt guy, but I'm curious. Wilt had three distinct phases to his career: (a) dedicated volume scorer (b) high post passer (c) dedicated defensive anchor. What numbers do you think he'd put up in each of those three phases (not that I care either way, but it's hard to think of it that way; the guy had a weird career)?[/QUOTE]


Im guessing you are talking about wilt today, in the modern 2013 nba?

(points-rebs-assists-blocks)

a. 25-16-2-3
b. 18-16-5-3
c. 18-17-2-4

Before you go all out and complain, remember that shaq at his best averaged 27-14, which is about the same as a 25-16.

No we won't see as dominant a player as Wilt ever again. The guy literally took a shit all over the record books and a lot of his records still stand today. I don't think they'll ever be a more adaptable player in the league.

[QUOTE=blood yes]Im guessing you are talking about wilt today, in the modern 2013 nba?

(points-rebs-assists-blocks)

a. 25-16-2-3
b. 18-16-5-3
c. 18-17-2-4

Before you go all out and complain, remember that shaq at his best averaged 27-14, which is about the same as a 25-16.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the response, and don't worry yourself about me complaining. I disagree with those numbers, but you're entitled to your opinion as long as you've done the research. The Shaq comparison (Shaq's my favorite player all-time) is tough since when he was at his best, he coasted in the regular season (and went all-out in the Finals) aside from 99-00. I think something like this (just off the top of my head):

a) 30-18-1-3
b) 20-20-6-5
c) 15-16-3-4

with career averages of 25-18-4-4 makes sense if he's playing 40-something minutes. If he's getting low-mid 30s instead, probably 23-16-4-4. I think we're on the same page though, for the most part. That being said, we're all speculating, none of us really has a clue.

[QUOTE=fpliii]Thanks for the response, and don't worry yourself about me complaining. I disagree with those numbers, but you're entitled to your opinion as long as you've done the research. The Shaq comparison (Shaq's my favorite player all-time) is tough since when he was at his best, he coasted in the regular season (and went all-out in the Finals) aside from 99-00. I think something like this (just off the top of my head):

a) 30-18-1-3
b) 20-20-6-5
c) 15-16-3-4

with career averages of 25-18-4-4 makes sense if he's playing 40-something minutes. If he's getting low-mid 30s instead, probably 23-16-4-4. I think we're on the same page though, for the most part. That being said, we're all speculating, none of us really has a clue.[/QUOTE]
Do you think he'd score that much with all the rule changes that favor perimeter players?

a) 25-15-2-3
b) 18-15-5-3
c) 15-15-3-4

Career average of ~22-15-3-4 (+/- 1-2 in each of the statistical category).

[QUOTE=aj1987]Do you think he'd score that much with all the rule changes that favor perimeter players?

a) 25-15-2-3
b) 18-15-5-3
c) 15-15-3-4

Career average of ~22-15-3-4 (+/- 1-2 in each of the statistical category).[/QUOTE]

No clue, just pulled those numbers out of nowhere. I'm sure someone could produce good estimates if they put the time in.

I do think his non-scoring numbers would be higher though.

[QUOTE=aj1987]Do you think he'd score that much with all the rule changes that favor perimeter players?

a) 25-15-2-3
b) 18-15-5-3
c) 15-15-3-4

Career average of ~22-15-3-4 (+/- 1-2 in each of the statistical category).[/QUOTE]
The rule changes don't "favor" perimeter players, they merely enable them to pick up the offensive slack big men used to otherwise carry. The game still has room for those bigs to carry an offense with the same kind of dominance - if that is, a big existed that was capable. Suggesting the rules 'favor' the guards in such a way that you feel the NBA rules are holding big men back is likely not the case, for example go watch Hakeem Olajuwon address this on his Youtube channel, he is asked about that topic specifically in an interview and clearly states he doesn't believe rules are holding big men back at all in today's game, he states that the reasons no bigs are doing what the dominant centers of his era and say, the 60's and early 70's era were doing is because those eras were the exception to the norm. The norm being, that no people that size have that level of skill and abilties. He says dominant bigs will return, it's just rare.

In high school, yeah. It happens a lot. In college and the NBA, never. Wilt's dominance in the NBA is like a really dominant, 7'1" college player going to some local middle school basketball team and taking over on the court.

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Suggesting the rules 'favor' the guards in such a way that you feel the NBA rules are holding big men back is likely not the case. He says dominant bigs will return, it's just rare.[/QUOTE]
Should've worded it better.

They will, but I don't think we'll see players average 50/25 or even 35/25.

Pretty hilarious how some of you assume that Wilt would have massive scoring seasons.

Wilt's scoring average looks impressive because of two things;

1. The pace, the pace was crazy fast back then and playing for mediocre teams allowed Wilt to statpad like there was no tomorrow. He averaged 40 shots per game during a whole season for god sake. The pace led to alot more FGA which also lead to more points obviously. It should also be noted that his crazy rebounding numbers was also due playing in that particular era, they shot with way worse FG% while taking more shots which led to way more available rebounds.

2. Wilt's playing time, by normal standards no one would play the amount of minutes that WIlt did. Neither guards or big guys, no one. If you'd look at his PER 36 minute average he suddenly looks way more human.

And just a reminder, Wilt's point per game average per 36 minutes in the playoffs was 17.2 points. His numbers in terms of scoring always went down in the playoffs.

And no, we will never see another Wilt because the overall skillset today is way higher than it used to be.

And I assume that OP is meaning if we'd see a player that would dominate in terms of stats the way Wilt did because winning wasn't Wilt thing when he was at his statistical prime.

Wilt played in a way less developed era and he had his statistical prime against shorter and less athletic teams with less skillset. And if that wasn't enough, the defensive schemes are amazing today and you can't say the same about the 60's and Wilt played in an era where double and triple teams were a rarity.