[QUOTE=longtime lurker]Jesus this can't be real life. Imagine if this kid was a minority and/or poor.[/QUOTE]
Skin color doesn't matter. What matters is that he has a rich daddy with connections.
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[QUOTE=longtime lurker]Jesus this can't be real life. Imagine if this kid was a minority and/or poor.[/QUOTE]
Skin color doesn't matter. What matters is that he has a rich daddy with connections.
[QUOTE=Heavincent]Skin color doesn't matter. What matters is that he has a rich daddy with connections.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this.
IMO america today is much more classist than it is racist. It just so happens that on average whites tend to be richer. (because of the advantages in the past of whiteness)
anybody really think if this kid looked exactly the same but his dad was a coal miner and he lived in a trailer park he would get away with this?
Anybody really think a rich politically well connected black man couldn't get his kid off?
Eg. OJ simpsons getting away with murder.
[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]I agree with this.
IMO america today is much more classist than it is racist. It just so happens that on average whites tend to be richer. (because of the advantages in the past of whiteness)
anybody really think if this kid looked exactly the same but his dad was a coal miner and he lived in a trailer park he would get away with this?
Anybody really think a rich politically well connected black man couldn't get his kid off?
Eg. OJ simpsons getting away with murder.[/QUOTE]
Nick Van Exel son got 60 years for killing his friend. In the state of Texas.
[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]I agree with this.
IMO america today is much more classist than it is racist. It just so happens that on average whites tend to be richer. (because of the advantages in the past of whiteness)
anybody really think if this kid looked exactly the same but his dad was a coal miner and he lived in a trailer park he would get away with this?
Anybody really think a rich politically well connected black man couldn't get his kid off?
Eg. OJ simpsons getting away with murder.[/QUOTE]
Umm no. You have to look at things on a case by case basis but I've seen statistics that african americans face harsher penalties than whites despite committing the same crimes.
[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]I agree with this.
IMO america today is much more classist than it is racist. It just so happens that on average whites tend to be richer. (because of the advantages in the past of whiteness)
anybody really think if this kid looked exactly the same but his dad was a coal miner and he lived in a trailer park he would get away with this?
Anybody really think a rich politically well connected black man couldn't get his kid off?
Eg. OJ simpsons getting away with murder.[/QUOTE]
This guy gets it.
[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]I agree with this.
IMO america today is much more classist than it is racist. It just so happens that on average whites tend to be richer. (because of the advantages in the past of whiteness)
anybody really think if this kid looked exactly the same but his dad was a coal miner and he lived in a trailer park he would get away with this?
Anybody really think a rich politically well connected black man couldn't get his kid off?
Eg. OJ simpsons getting away with murder.[/QUOTE]
I would agree that class ultimately trumps race, but the institutions in America live off of the stereotypes defined by race and minorities pay dearly for preconceived notions a lot of times.... Money does play a large role, but so does race ...
money helps is the main factor, but that doesn't always guarantee effective council
FYI the same judge in the story sentenced a 14 year old black kid to 10 years for punching a guy who later later died in an unprovoked attack.
[QUOTE=longtime lurker]Umm no. You have to look at things on a case by case basis b[B]ut I've seen statistics that african americans face harsher penalties than whites despite committing the same crimes.[/B][/QUOTE]
I have also seen those stats. I think it is due to the fact that on average whites have higher income and more net worth. being richer allows you to hire more talented defense attorneys. Poor people need to rely on public defenders. If you need to rely on a public defender because you are too poor to hire a defense attorney you are probably going to have a higher chance of getting convicted and get a harsher sentence.
IMO the correlation you described is caused by the wealth disparity for the most part.
[QUOTE=longtime lurker]FYI the same judge in the story sentenced a 14 year old black kid to 10 years for punching a guy who later later died in an unprovoked attack.[/QUOTE]
Frankly 10 years is too light a sentence for killing a man for no reason.
Eric Couch imo deserves the death penalty for killing 4 people.
[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan][B]Thats messed up imo he deserves the death penalty
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I feel we are way too reluctant in issuing death sentences in cases like this where guilt is clear.[/QUOTE]
A Texan would say that. After all the people your state has wrongfully executed...yet you still run to the death penalty as such an easy solution and method of justice.
You don't just kill a fckn 16 year old, no matter how much of a dumbass, entitled, irresponsible little shithead he was that tragically killed a lot of innocent nice people. That's a terrible precedent to even consider. The kid should be locked up but where do u get off saying that he doesn't have an opportunity to redeem himself?
The scary thing is that Texas is the most homogenous state I've ever been to with irresponsible mentalities prevalent such as the above dumbass who advocates killing a teenager who went way overboard and ruined many lives yes, but this kid isn't a willing serial killer.
[QUOTE=ROCSteady][B]A Texan would say that. After all the people your state has wrongfully executed...yet you still run to the death penalty as such an easy solution and method of justice.
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You don't just kill a fckn 16 year old, no matter how much of a dumbass, entitled, irresponsible little shithead he was that tragically killed a lot of innocent nice people. That's a terrible precedent to even consider. The kid should be locked up but where do u get off saying that he doesn't have an opportunity to redeem himself?
The scary thing is that Texas is the most homogenous state I've ever been to with irresponsible mentalities prevalent such as the above dumbass who advocates killing a teenager who went way overboard and ruined many lives yes, but this kid isn't a willing serial killer.[/QUOTE]
Notice i said when the subject is clearly guilty. I dont support the death penalty in case where guilt is not 100% clear.
Eg that guy that shot up that theater where batman was playing should get the needle. Because it is 100% clear he did it. Also that younger brother who did the boston bombing should also get the needle imo. That dc sniper and his son should also get it.
In cases where circumstantial evidence is used Eg. some guys wife gets killed and it gets put on his head because the cops cant find another lead and he gets convicted, I dont think the death penalty should be used.
But in cases where it is absolutely clear, with 0% doubt that the person killed someone else, yes they deserve to die.
[QUOTE]You don't just kill a fckn 16 year old, no matter how much of a dumbass, entitled, irresponsible little shithead he was that tragically killed a lot of innocent nice people. That's a terrible precedent to even consider. The kid should be locked up but where do u get off saying that he doesn't have an opportunity to redeem himself?[/QUOTE]
Can he resurrect people from the dead?
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[QUOTE]Tragic: Jennings, pictured second from left, was a father of three and a youth minister in Burleson[/QUOTE]
Can he bring back brian jennings? and give his wife and kids back their dad?
Some crimes are unforgivable. Quite frankly imo a guy like eric couch if he were being executed would be getting a more merciful death than he deserves.
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[QUOTE]Killed: Hollie Boyles, 52, and her daughter, Shelby Boyles, 21, were helping out the driver of a broken down SUV when they were struck and killed by Couch's out-of-control pickup
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[QUOTE]'Money always seems to keep (Couch) out of trouble,' Eric Boyles, whose wife and daughter were killed in the June 15 crash, told the Star Telegram after sentencing. 'Ultimately today, I felt that money did prevail. If (he) had been any other youth, I feel like the circumstances would have been different.'[/QUOTE]
Where is your sympathy for eric boyles?
[QUOTE]advocates killing a teenager who went way overboard and ruined many lives yes, but this kid isn't a willing serial killer.[/QUOTE]
lol teenager :rolleyes:
Murderer is more like it. Driving while drunk is a malicious action.
it's not "murder" mavs fan...it was an awful irresponsible and careless accident...that KID didn't go out trying to kill anyone, he probably didn't even know his own name...benzos and booz is killer combo
DUI/manslaghter has to be one of the hardest things for a judge to deal with...esp young underage cases with no priors...you have people that get off for things due to the insanity plea, but when you are black out drunk you are literally insane...
When a human is extremely drunk it is almost a given he will make a horrible decision that he would NEVER make while sober...being drunk and doing stupid things go hand in hand
and I'm not saying that this kid shouldn't be punished, he should see a very harsh punishment IMO...but the death penalty is out of the question, someone that young definitely deserves a second chance
Of course those families have my sympathy. That's pretty much a given for innocent people killed and those affected by a horrendous, nonsensical act like this.
Hate to break it to you but just because a story like this is maddening and someone is knowingly 100% wrong or guilty does not mean that person deserves to die. Does he deserve a much more harsh penalty? Absolutely. Is the American (your dumbass state in this instance) justice system flawed and inconsistent? For sure.
It's just your weak, blood thirsty attitude is nonsensical for a tragedy like this which really was a pointless act of unfathomable judgment. If you can't see the differences in the D.C. sniper, Boston Marathon bombers, shooter in Colorado who murdered people as their primary objective and this foolish young driver than I don't know what to tell you. To lump them in with this young guy is just a ridiculous stance. He killed people, yes, ruined multiple lives but despite your pitchfork mentality, intent is important when sentencing people guilty of crimes.
I guess you are just simple and have a lazy mentality if you cannot see the margins that exist within this tragedy and the evil acts you try to compare it to.
What to do? Ah, execute everybody who has ever taken a life! Sure buddy, those killed cannot be brought back but they can't be brought back by capital punishment either. Way to perpetuate the stereotypes about your backwards ass state. People like you have a right to have an opinion in these matters but the validity of them belongs grouped within a vacuum that is far removed from actual reality and the complicated nuances that cause and effect can have.
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]it's not "murder" mavs fan...it was an awful irresponsible and careless accident...that KID didn't go out trying to kill anyone, he probably didn't even know his own name...benzos and booz is killer combo
DUI/manslaghter has to be one of the hardest things for a judge to deal with...esp young underage cases with no priors...you have people that get off for things due to the insanity plea, but when you are black out drunk you are literally insane...
When a human is extremely drunk it is almost a given he will make a horrible decision that he would NEVER make while sober...being drunk and doing stupid things go hand in hand
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and I'm not saying that this kid shouldn't be punished, he should see a very harsh punishment IMO...but the death penalty is out of the question, someone that young definitely deserves a second chance[/B][/QUOTE]
We infantilize people too much in our society. you see these 20+ yr olds still living with their parents.
16 is old enough to know better. I knew better at 16. I know that we dont give out the death penalty for manslaughter. I am just saying I would have no problem with it if we did.
I also know that it is not technically a murderer, just saying to me he is a murderer. Eg. technically neither george bush or Obama are murderers, but to me they are.
[QUOTE=ROCSteady]Of course those families have my sympathy. That's pretty much a given for innocent people killed and those affected by a horrendous, nonsensical act like this.
Hate to break it to you but just because a story like this is maddening and someone is knowingly 100% wrong or guilty does not mean that person deserves to die. Does he deserve a much more harsh penalty? Absolutely. Is the American (your dumbass state in this instance) justice system flawed and inconsistent? For sure.
It's just your weak, blood thirsty attitude is nonsensical for a tragedy like this which really was a pointless act of unfathomable judgment. If you can't see the differences in the D.C. sniper, Boston Marathon bombers, shooter in Colorado who murdered people as their primary objective and this foolish young driver than I don't know what to tell you. To lump them in with this young guy is just a ridiculous stance. He killed people, yes, ruined multiple lives but despite your pitchfork mentality, intent is important when sentencing people guilty of crimes.
I guess you are just simple and have a lazy mentality if you cannot see the margins that exist within this tragedy and the evil acts you try to compare it to.
What to do? Ah, execute everybody who has ever taken a life! Sure buddy, those killed cannot be brought back but they can't be brought back by capital punishment either. Way to perpetuate the stereotypes about your backwards ass state. People like you have a right to have an opinion in these matters but the validity of them belongs grouped within a vacuum that is far removed from actual reality and the complicated nuances that cause and effect can have.[/QUOTE]
I agree with all this except you trying to pin shit on Texas as though other states don't have flawed court rooms...money affects legal issues everywhere
Wow you certainly have a very...dismissive mentality i.e. you don't think things through before coming to an ultimate judgment.