Is Shawn Marion a HOFer?

[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]Yeah, that's what I did too. Also, I went by how they were regarded at their respective time. Marion's best production came in a span of years was from... 01-02 to 05-06. Was ever regarded as a Top 10 player ? Or the best at his position ? Top 5 at his position perhaps ? And even then, it didn't last very long.

Like I said before, he's not HOF according to the standards I see it. The HOF should be for the very elite level of players. The ones that were consistently up there as perennial all-stars, number of all-nba/defensive teams, MVP voting, memorable and very high level of playoff runs, etc... Marion just doesn't meet that requirement. But obviously, as there have been worse player who have made it in, I wouldn't be surprised if he went in.[/QUOTE]

Even if there's been worse players. People aren't inducted to the HOF solely for their play, there's other factors that come into play. Also, most of them were from the earlier eras that are considered pioneers.

Im sure fans 30 years from now, will look at some of the players inducted from our generation and look at their stats and be like :wtf: :facepalm :rolleyes: but we'd remember them fondly. Which is one of the reasons why I try hard not to debate or judge players from previous eras (70s and earlier).

For most of us that saw him play, he's not a HOF player.

Shit, just not to long ago we were arguing whether or not Cweb was a HOF player, people were debating whether or not VC was a HOF candidate as well as Pau Gasol.

Now players all have a legit chance at being in the HOF, Marion doesn't belong in the same sentence as them.

[QUOTE=fpliii]I'd agree, but I think he's likely going to make it in based on some of the selections in the past. I do think you're underrating his chances somewhat given how the HOF selects guys, but I'm more of a small hall guy personally. A lot of players who have been enshrined have had no business making it in, but Naismith is very inclusive (compared to Cooperstown for instance...the voters there are misguided, but I like a more exclusive hall).[/QUOTE]

Naw... there's a list of players that have a legit shot that have yet to be elected, and they may still be in the running when he's eligible.

IF (big IF)

He is ever to be inducted, it'll be like 15 years after he's eligible.

Reggie Miller made the Hall from a series which his team lost, and this reputation as a clutch God when in actuality you're guaranteed bricks in crunch time
Remember, this is the same Guy that received as many MVP votes in 20 years as Antoine Walker did in one, and no one considers him a HOF

Many Ginobili's a career bench player that just happens to play for a winning organization
Of course, cue someone that brings up hos gold medal, to which I say let's put Luis Scola in while we're at it:applause:

If these two jokers can make it, so can the Matrix

[QUOTE=Audio One]Reggie Miller made the Hall from a series which his team lost, and this reputation as a clutch God when in actuality you're guaranteed bricks in crunch time
Remember, this is the same Guy that received as many MVP votes in 20 years as Antoine Walker did in one, and no one considers him a HOF

Many Ginobili's a career bench player that just happens to play for a winning organization
Of course, cue someone that brings up hos gold medal, to which I say let's put Luis Scola in while we're at it:applause:

If these two jokers can make it, so can the Matrix[/QUOTE]

What a disaster of a post.

Must certeeenly

[QUOTE=Audio One]Reggie Miller made the Hall from a series which his team lost, and this reputation as a clutch God when in actuality you're guaranteed bricks in crunch time
Remember, this is the same Guy that received as many MVP votes in 20 years as Antoine Walker did in one, and no one considers him a HOF

Many Ginobili's a career bench player that just happens to play for a winning organization
Of course, cue someone that brings up hos gold medal, to which I say let's put Luis Scola in while we're at it:applause:

If these two jokers can make it, so can the Matrix[/QUOTE]

:biggums:

[QUOTE=Audio One]Reggie Miller made the Hall from a series which his team lost, and this reputation as a clutch God when in actuality you're guaranteed bricks in crunch time[/QUOTE]

No, that's not why he made the HOF.

[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]No, that's not why he made the HOF.[/QUOTE]

Then I'm expecting Antawn Jamison to make the Hall as well when its all said and done. Might as well throw Mark Jackson in as well

[QUOTE=Audio One]Reggie Miller made the Hall from a series which his team lost, and this reputation as a clutch God when in actuality you're guaranteed bricks in crunch time
Remember, this is the same Guy that received as many MVP votes in 20 years as Antoine Walker did in one, and no one considers him a HOF

Many Ginobili's a career bench player that just happens to play for a winning organization
Of course, cue someone that brings up hos gold medal, to which I say let's pit Luis Scholar in while we're at it:applause:

If these two jokers can make it, so can the Matrix[/QUOTE]

Not sure if serious.

[QUOTE=andgar923]Yeah, but is that HOF worthy?

NO

HOFers are their team's leaders, more than not they're 'franchise' players. At worse, they've been a huge part in their team's role to win a number of championships or maintain their level at the top on a very consistent basis. Cedric and Shawn are good at what they do, neither of them are as great as say Rodman.

So in short, Marion's name and HOF shouldn't even be in the same sentence.[/QUOTE]
How about the aforementioned Reggie. Not a franchise player (5 time all-star, 3 time 3rd team All-NBA, two years of very peripheral MVP vote getting; all very similar to Marion, as was Rodman).

A number of championships? No. Were the Pacers consistently "On top"? No, they had one season, one, with an SRS above 5 (a very rough benchmark for legit contenders, 7 teams are above it this season).

Marion was fortunate to play at a fast pace with Marbury and Nash? Wasn't Miller lucky to land in an offense that was willing to run screen after screen for him to get shots? To play with the second best passing point guard of that era (3rd in career total assists behind Stockton and Kidd).

Marion isn't as memorable, he doesn't have a calling card like Rodman (rebounding, crazy, early career D) or Miller (all time great shooter, memorable playoff moments) so if you want it to be literally a Hall of [B]Fame[/B], maybe Marion can be out and those guys be in. But if it's about the quality of play he's in their ballpark.

You mention C-Webb, was he a franchise? He had an incredible uber-deep supporting cast in Sacramento, yet he didn't get to any finals. He was the face of two franchises that passed him on (for lesser players) because he was considered a malcontent (not to mention what he did to Michigan, or that Orlando traded him for Penny), who couldn't carry a franchise. He probably has less truly productive years than Marion (after his rookie year, he only got started again in '97 and was done after injuries in 2002). Like Miller and Marion he played with great passers. When he fell of substantially his team barely got any worse. But he looked like a franchise getting 24ppg so we can ignore the woeful shooting (from the field and the line). And then add in a reputation for shrinking in the clutch/playoffs establish in folklore by his NCAA timeout and backed up by his playoff stats (even after accounting for playing some playoff time outside his prime).

You can nitpick any of the non-legends (top 40-50 or so) like this. But they're in the Hall as it stands (or will be, in Webber's case). And as I said Marion doesn't have a calling card. Still, if it's about how well you played pro basketball, and the bar is where it is now, Marion deserves it.

[QUOTE=Audio One]Reggie Miller made the Hall from a series which his team lost, and this reputation as a clutch God when in actuality you're guaranteed bricks in crunch time
Remember, this is the same Guy that received as many MVP votes in 20 years as Antoine Walker did in one, and no one considers him a HOF

Many Ginobili's a career bench player that just happens to play for a winning organization
Of course, cue someone that brings up hos gold medal, to which I say let's put Luis Scola in while we're at it:applause:

If these two jokers can make it, so can the Matrix[/QUOTE]


Damn you are a faulking retard or my sarcasm meter is broken

He put bron on lock in the finals:lol . He deserves recognition, as does Boris Diaw. If not for that one 2011/2013 series i'd definitely say no but when your locking the supposed "best player in the nba" and exposing him to being a 0% skilled 100% athleticism scrub.. that can never be overlooked. Lebron made these guys hall of famers. I think it's safe to say bron doesn't make his teammates better, but his opponents. :roll:

[QUOTE=GOATbe]He put bron on lock in the finals:lol . He deserves recognition, as does Boris Diaw. If not for that one 2011/2013 series i'd definitely say no but when your locking the supposed "best player in the nba" and exposing him to being a 0% skilled 100% athleticism scrub.. that can never be overlooked. Lebron made these guys hall of famers. I think it's safe to say bron doesn't make his teammates better, but his opponents. :roll:[/QUOTE]
You should switch to your banned account. Better for everybody's eyes.

[QUOTE=GOATbe]He put bron on lock in the finals:lol . He deserves recognition, as does Boris Diaw. If not for that one 2011/2013 series i'd definitely say no but when your locking the supposed "best player in the nba" and exposing him to being a 0% skilled 100% athleticism scrub.. that can never be overlooked. Lebron made these guys hall of famers. I think it's safe to say bron doesn't make his teammates better, but his opponents. :roll:[/QUOTE]
0/10 Tried too hard :sleeping

[QUOTE=Audio One]Reggie Miller made the Hall from a series which his team lost, and this reputation as a clutch God when in actuality you're guaranteed bricks in crunch time
Remember, this is the same Guy that received as many MVP votes in 20 years as Antoine Walker did in one, and no one considers him a HOF

Many Ginobili's a career bench player that just happens to play for a winning organization
Of course, cue someone that brings up hos gold medal, to which I say let's put Luis Scola in while we're at it:applause:

If these two jokers can make it, so can the Matrix[/QUOTE]

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