I cannot take this current era of players seriously because of no hand checking

[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Clyde Drexler: For guys who penetrate these days, it’s hunting season. Yes, now you can play (floating)zone(legally), but teams rarely do.”

ISH nerds >>>> Basketball legends, amirite?[/QUOTE]

Some senile old guys trying to stay relevant, trying to kid themseleves basketball was far superior in the old days :lol :roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Clyde Drexler: For guys who penetrate these days, it

[QUOTE=tpols]Jordan was unstoppable in his day too, and could have gotten 50 any game he wanted to.. he didnt because it is basically impossible to average 50 ppg and win anything because there are heavy diminishing returns on your teammates if you use up that many possesions.

gdamn you're being a dumbass.. it was phil who taught Jordan the importance of building team chemistry and balance to win, and you think Jordan is going to toss up a ton of shots every single game to average 50..[/QUOTE]

Actually, it was Dean Smith. Jordan just didn't have a TEAM around him prior to Phil becoming the head-coach.

Wouldnt expect you to know that, I mean, you were still swimming in your daddy's sack....

[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Clyde Drexler: For guys who penetrate these days, it’s hunting season. Yes, now you can play (floating)zone(legally), but teams rarely do.”

ISH nerds >>>> basketball legends, amirite?[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mRyqA91H1M[/url]

Are you?

There are 21 players scoring over 20 PPG this season. Did some quick research on the number of players who scored that much between '91 and '96.
'91 - 26
'92 - 24
'93 - 21
'94 - 18
'95 - 24
'96 - 21

I guess Michael Adams, Tony Campbell, Ricky Pierce, Latrell Spreewell, Cedric Ceballos, Juwan freaking Howard, etc. can all score in the '90's, but somehow todays players can't. Why?

Oscar Robertson said Lebron's better than Jordan. God, I love owning these idiots.

Herp derp :cletus:

[QUOTE=HoopsFanNumero1]Oscar Robertson said Lebron's better than Jordan. God, I love owning these idiots.

Herp derp :cletus:[/QUOTE]
even phil jackson said it.
but who is phil jackson doe?
and what the hell does he know about jordan:roll: :roll: :roll:

[quote]Stu Jackson: No. The scoring increase was not our goal. [B]Our objective was to allow for more offensive freedom by not allowing defenders to hand-, forearm- or body-check ball handlers. By doing so, we encouraged more dribble penetration. As players penetrated more, it produced higher quality shots for the ball handler as well as shots for teammates on passes back out to perimeter. When NBA players get higher quality shots — having more time to shoot — they tend to make more of them.[/B]

Stu Jackson: It doesn’t. [B]With the rule and interpretation changes, it has become more difficult for defenders to defend penetration, cover the entire floor on defensive rotations and recover to shooters. This has provided more time for shooters to ready themselves for quality shots. With more dribble penetration, ball handlers are getting more opportunities at the rim.[/B] Additionally, teams now realize the 3-point shot is a great competitive equalizer, so they are taking more; they have improved their skill level on threes and are making them at a higher rate.[/quote]

Yeah, the VP of basketball was just being "nostalgic".

Class' in session, boys. :oldlol:

League Average eFG%

'80s: .491
'90s: .488
'00s: .484

League Average PPG

'80s: 109.3
'90s: 101.0
'00s: 96.9

% of Points from the Freethrow line

'80s: 20.3
'90s: 19.8
'00s: 19.5

/thread

[QUOTE=Quickening]League Average eFG%

'80s: .491
'90s: .488
'00s: .484

League Average PPG

'80s: 109.3
'90s: 101.0
'00s: 96.9

% of Points from the Freethrow line

'80s: 20.3
'90s: 19.8
'00s: 19.5

/thread[/QUOTE]
Wrong. You need quotes from trainers and coaches without sources to prove your point.

[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Clyde Drexler: For guys who penetrate these days, it

[QUOTE=Quickening]League Average eFG%

'80s: .491
'90s: .488
'00s: .484

League Average PPG

'80s: 109.3
'90s: 101.0
'00s: 96.9

% of Points from the Freethrow line

'80s: 20.3
'90s: 19.8
'00s: 19.5

/thread[/QUOTE]

But Bill Lambier doe

[QUOTE=madmax]nobody was allowed to touch "His Airness" either my dear fellow...if you don't know that, you probably didn't watch him play live either. I did:cheers:[/QUOTE]

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2v0LOhjsJs"]Jordan Rules[/URL]

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wLW2UwkcG4"]Team that adopted the Jordan Rules[/URL]

Lebron in the 2010s (Post Decision): 7.8 FTA on 18.3 FGA/GM
Durant in the 2010s: 8.8 FTA on 19.3 FGA/GM
Jordan '90-first retirement: 7.9 FTA on 23.7 FGA/GM

Jordan was taking over 5 more shots per game than Lebron but getting the same amount of free throws. He took over 4 more than Durant but was getting 1 less FTA on average. All this during a more physical era. So if Jordan was 'untouchable' what does that make those guys? :confusedshrug:

And for all the talk about bigger, stronger players... how is it that a guy who couldn't do a single rep of 185 on the bench press working on his [I]fourth[/I] scorin title? :lol

Agree 100% with the OP...

Lol. Get outta here with that "Jordan COULD have averaged 50 if he wanted to". It wasn't for lack of trying. Dude wasn't opposed to chucking at all.


Jordan's highest scoring season, he averaged 37 points on 28 FGA and 12 FTA. His eFG% was only 48.4% and his TS% was only 56.2%.

Is that really any better than when Kobe averaged 35PPG on 27 FGA and 10 FTA? 49.1-eFG and 55.9-TS


Jordan mythologists LOVE to claim Kobe is nowhere near JOrdan, but it's a lot closer than you would like to admit.