Where would Kobe rank in the 60s

[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]Chamberlain was held a 7-2 margin in FIRST TEAM ALL-NBA selections over Russell in their TEN years in the league together...

And he won an MVP over Russell in his ROOKIE year, was robbed of it two years later even though his numbers were even more staggering, then proceeded to RUN AWAY with the MVP balloting three straight years in the mid-60's.

Virtually no one had Russell ahead of Wilt from the mid-60's on.[/QUOTE]
This whole post is a huge lie.
Players who voted on MVP gave it to BR more times than not, even in Wilt's 50 ppg season if I remember correctly.
Actually, nobody really had Wilt above Russell. Everybody wanted him to be, because he was a circus show, but he just couldn't live up to the hype even with his physical dominance over significantly lesser opponents. Basically, he failed to win because he was a choker even in a league where nobody besides russell could stop him physically. Lebron has a lot of chokes, even Kobe's in 04 count as one, but Wilt's whole career is one big piece of choke. You know that, stop refuting that with irrelevant shit and accept it. I like Wilt too, but he's nowhere close to being a top 5 player.

Kobe is one of the most skilled players I've ever seen but why are people transferring him into the 60's with skills and a playing mindset that developed post 60s. It doesn't make any sense especially since Kobe took bits and pieces from many legends.

[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]His FG%'s would DECLINE...BIG TIME. He has been playing in an NBA which has shot an eFG% of .480-.500 his entire career. In the 60's, the NBA had eFG%'s of, on average, .435, with early seasons of less than .400.

GREAT shooters, like West struggled in the early 60's. Hell, CHAMBERLAIN had a season of .461. If Wilt was shooting .461 in a league, then Kobe likely would have been competing with Guy Rodgers's FG%'s.[/QUOTE]
None of those guys have at least 80 percent of Kobe's speed or shooting ability.
He would average 45 percent from the long mid-range lol, you do realize that was a time that hanged it's head on mid-range, and Kobe's a mid-range god? Not to mention that he's an incredible post-up player(certainly would be the best in the league at that time ((pre-kareem)))

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow][url]http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_35th_Anniversary_Team[/url]

Boiled down:

Bill: 11
Wilt: 2[/QUOTE]

TEAM game.

Jordan was a LOSER in NINE seasons.

Bird...a LOSER in TEN seasons.

Duncan...a LOSER in ELEVEN.

Kobe...a LOSER in TWELVE.

West...a LOSER in 12.

Oscar...a LOSER in 13.

Kareem...a LOSER in 14.

Shaq...a LOSER in 15.

Hakeem...a LOSER in 16.

Chamberlain, he only "lost" in 12 seasons.


BTW, those guys were "losing" to far less "winners" than Russell in their career "losses." My god, Shaq "lost" to Greg Ostertag for cryingoutloud (and in a series in which he averaged 23 ppg on a .492 FG%...and was blown out, 4-1.) Kareem, "losing" to Marvin Webster. Hakeem, "losing" to AC Green. I could go on, but your "boiled down" theory looks even more embarrassing for those guys.

[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]TEAM game.

Jordan was a LOSER in NINE seasons.

Bird...a LOSER in TEN seasons.

Duncan...a LOSER in ELEVEN.

Kobe...a LOSER in TWELVE.

West...a LOSER in 12.

Oscar...a LOSER in 13.

Kareem...a LOSER in 14.

Shaq...a LOSER in 15.

Hakeem...a LOSER in 16.

Chamberlain, he only "lost" in 12 seasons.


BTW, those guys were "losing" to far less "winners" than Russell in their career "losses." My god, Shaq "lost" to Greg Ostertag for cryingoutloud (and in a series in which he averaged 23 ppg on a .492 FG%...and was blown out, 4-1.) Kareem, "losing" to Marvin Webster. Hakeem, "losing" to AC Green. I could go on, but your "boiled down" theory looks even more embarrassing for those guys.[/QUOTE]


are we really gonna count seasons when kobe wasnt even a starter or comparable co-1st option

then seasons in which he didnt even play half the year or have a chance to contend due to injury

scratch

- 1997
- 1998
- 1999
- 2005
- 2013
- 2014


kobe realistically is a 7 time loser, 5 time champion

[B]- 2000 Champ
- 2001 Champ
- 2002 Champ[/B]
- 2003 lost
[B]- 2004 Finals[/B]
- 2006 lost
- 2007 lost
[B]- 2008 Finals
- 2009 Champ
- 2010 Champ[/B]
- 2011 lost
- 2012 lost

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]are we really gonna count seasons when kobe wasnt even a starter or comparable co-1st option

then seasons in which he didnt even play half the year or have a chance to contend due to injury

scratch

- 1997
- 1998
- 1999
- 2005
- 2013
- 2014


kobe realistically is a 7 time loser, 5 time champion

[B]- 2000 Champ
- 2001 Champ
- 2002 Champ[/B]
- 2003 lost
[B]- 2004 Finals[/B]
- 2006 lost
- 2007 lost
[B]- 2008 Finals
- 2009 Champ
- 2010 Champ[/B]
- 2011 lost
- 2012 lost[/QUOTE]

The king of excuses. I hope you're not serious with this nonsense. :oldlol:

[COLOR="Magenta"]Kobe is a loser [/COLOR]

[COLOR="Magenta"]only wins with a dominant big man [/COLOR]

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin][B]kobe would probably play in the post. never be tempted by the three pointer. his fg% would sky rocket due to only thinking about efficient shots and not showing off
[/B][/QUOTE]

:oldlol:

Bean... efficient shots...

Fg% 'sky rocket'...

Not showing off?


[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/lshawelu/CharlieMurphyLaugh.gif[/IMG]

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]:oldlol:

Bean... efficient shots...

Fg% 'sky rocket'...

Not showing off?


[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/lshawelu/CharlieMurphyLaugh.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]

kobe only takes hard shots or deep threes because he likes to embarrass teams...

well if most of the games arent even on tv. and theres no internet. and no three point line.. guess what.. that 46% goes up allot

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]:oldlol:

Bean... efficient shots...

Fg% 'sky rocket'...

Not showing off?


[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/lshawelu/CharlieMurphyLaugh.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]

:oldlol:

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]kobe only takes hard shots or deep threes because he likes to embarrass teams...

well if most of the games arent even on tv. and theres no internet. and no three point line.. guess what.. that 46% goes up allot[/QUOTE]

:lol

So you're telling me Bean is only a 45% career shooter because of TV and the internet?

The dude played 18 seasons and counting, 2 damn decades of basketball in several different eras, playing under different rules/conditions. The one constant- never once shot at/above 47% in a single season. Ever.

But yeah, he's gonna turn into LeBron once you take away the internet :lol

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]:lol

[B]So you're telling me Bean is only a 45% career shooter because of TV and the internet? [/B]

The dude played 18 seasons and counting, 2 damn decades of basketball in several different eras, playing under different rules/conditions. The one constant- never once shot at/above 47% in a single season. Ever.

But yeah, he's gonna turn into LeBron once you take away the internet :lol[/QUOTE]

yes


showboating... kobe is known as the greatest difficult shot maker in nba history for a reason

if he has no one to show off to and all people see are box scores. then why would he ever wanna take shots like these

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7iN2gsm67M[/url]

part of the game is showmanship.. kobes the greatest ever at it

if any other guy in history took the kinds of shots kobe took on a nightly basis. theyed be sent to the d-league or cut... if jordan took the kinds of shots kobe took. he never wins 1 title

jordan had to know his limitations and take smart shots beyond 15 feet

kobe is the only guy in nba history that took more contested threes than open threes

these shots dont make sense. they just go in. jordan would shoot when dared. kobes the opposite. he waits till a guy is breathing down his neck just to make it more interesting

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvvVd74-OxY[/url]


this is skill... this is balls... nobody like him. never will be another

he plays with the mindset of playstation.. any other guy woulda ruined his career with those kind of looks


kobe turns it into a top 5 all time career

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]yes


showboating... kobe is known as the greatest difficult shot maker in nba history for a reason

if he has no one to show off to and all people see are box scores. then why would he ever wanna take shots like these

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7iN2gsm67M[/url]

part of the game is showmanship.. kobes the greatest ever at it

if any other guy in history took the kinds of shots kobe took on a nightly basis. theyed be sent to the d-league or cut... if jordan took the kinds of shots kobe took. he never wins 1 title

jordan had to know his limitations and take smart shots beyond 15 feet[/QUOTE]

So a 3 minute youtube video explains why in 2 decades Bean never shot at/above 47%? Try harder.

Here's a 10 and 1/2 minute video of LeBron taking tough shots:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSW43aasnGA[/url]

Why has the internet and TV not held him back from shooting almost 60% this season? The man has had his fair share of heat checks throughout his career.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]So a 3 minute youtube video explains why in 2 decades Bean never shot at/above 47%? Try harder.

Here's a 10 and 1/2 minute video of LeBron taking tough shots:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSW43aasnGA[/url]

Why has the internet and TV not held him back from shooting almost 60% this season? The man has had his fair share of heat checks throughout his career.[/QUOTE]

do you watch basketball?

kobe takes 10,000 times more difficult long range shots than lebron

this is common sense

lebron makes 75% of his points within 5 feet.. this is on his shot chart

kobe is the opposite.. and yes anyone can make a video. but do we really even need videos like these to know?

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvvVd74-OxY#t=2m46s[/url]

kobe chooses willfully to shoot these shots. to make fun of the game. hes bigger than the game. its too easy. he makes it difficult to entertain himself and his fans

kobe is the puppetmaster. while lebron worries about his fg% and needs to pad or pass up shots... he'l only take a difficult shot when he has 5 layups in his pocket to balance it out

dude just sit down and shut up bro... your boy lebron is great.. but hes no kobe