Re: Report: Cavs likely to pick between Wiggins/Parker
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]Ha, Kemba had just as good as or better numbers than Kyrie, he is the leader on that team, and only if he had the high lottery picks to work with that Kyrie has. Not to mention a coach and a center that has been to or won the Finals.[/QUOTE]
Come on now, are you seriously trying to argue Kyrie was the wrong pick at #1? If that draft happened again today, he'd still be the #1 pick.
Re: Report: Cavs likely to pick between Wiggins/Parker
[QUOTE=D-Rose]Come on now, are you seriously trying to argue Kyrie was the wrong pick at #1? If that draft happened again today, he'd still be the #1 pick.[/QUOTE]
...and there would be no discussion. Am I taking crazy pills, here?
Re: Report: Cavs likely to pick between Wiggins/Parker
They drafted Lebron and Kyrie #1 overall so I think they are pretty good at what they do. Especially in such a stacked draft.
Re: Report: Cavs likely to pick between Wiggins/Parker
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]Ha, Kemba had just as good as or better numbers than Kyrie, he is the leader on that team, and only if he had the high lottery picks to work with that Kyrie has. Not to mention a coach and a center that has been to or won the Finals.[/QUOTE]
Couple of things...
1.) Kemba Walker isn't the best player on the Hornets, Al Jefferson is with his 51%, 22/11 season.
2.) Kemba almost had no numbers better than Irving this season and Irving actually regressed offensively this past season. Irving shot 4% better than Walker from the field overall, Irving shot 3% better from the three, Irving shot 2% better than Walker from the line, they both had exactly the same assists, Irving had 0.3 more SPG, Walker had 0.6 more RPG, Walker had 0.4 less TOPG, Irving scored 3.1 more PPG.
3.) Yes, let's pretend Charlotte hasn't had any high picks recently. 2013 they had the #4 pick, 2012 when Cleveland picked Waiters at #4 the Bobcats had the #2 pick with MKG. So yes, I guess Walker hasn't had any high draft picks to work with at all.
Re: Report: Cavs likely to pick between Wiggins/Parker
I never said he was the wrong pick. You quoted me and then fabricated a reasoning.
He's never made the playoffs in one of the most absolute historically weak conferences in the history of the NBA after three years of top 4 picks, and a coach and center who's either been to the finals or won it.
That's my point, it still stands, and it's a matter of fact. I threw in Kemba later because he was the same draft, has arguably better stats this year, and still made the playoffs on a shit team with shit management that obviously surpasses the Cavs.
Re: Report: Cavs likely to pick between Wiggins/Parker
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]Al Jefferson is easily the best player on that team and there are also a plethora of valuable veterans in that starting lineup and rotation logging heavy minutes (Gerald Henderson, Josh McRoberts, Jeffery Taylor, Ramon Sessions, Gary Neal, etc).
Completely and totally different situation.[/QUOTE]
No one was lining up to get Jefferson; how do you think he ended up on the f[I]u[/I]cking Bobcats? Bynum was a top player on a championship team. In retrospect both seem unlikely but you can't sit here and pretend the players around them (Kyrie and Kemba) had nothing to do with the outcome.
You CavTards want to sit here and treat Kyrie like he's playing baseball.
Re: Report: Cavs likely to pick between Wiggins/Parker
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]That's my point, it still stands, and it's a matter of fact. I threw in Kemba later because he was the same draft, has arguably better stats this year, and still made the playoffs on a shit team with shit management that obviously surpasses the Cavs.[/QUOTE]
Where are you getting these stats? Out of your bunghole? Did you miss the tons of posts above yours showing how Kyrie regressed offensively yet still had a better season state wise than Kemba?
The Bobcats made the playoffs this year because MJ paid out the wazoo for Big Al who just took a huge leap this season. Kemba helped of course, but that's the main factor.
Re: Report: Cavs likely to pick between Wiggins/Parker
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]No one was lining up to get Jefferson; how do you think he ended up on the f[I]u[/I]cking Bobcats?[/QUOTE]
Several teams showed interest in him, it's just the fact Jefferson took the most money. Plain and simple. He ended up having his best season in like 5 years. :confusedshrug:
Re: Report: Cavs likely to pick between Wiggins/Parker
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]I never said he was the wrong pick. You quoted me and then fabricated a reasoning. [/quote]
No, I assumed that's what you were arguing since you stepped right into the middle of a debate about how the Cavs could "blow" three No. 1 picks. When you interject a very low opinion of Irving into that conversation, people are naturally going to assume you are siding with the "bad pick" scenario.
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]He's never made the playoffs in one of the most absolute historically weak conferences in the history of the NBA after three years of top 4 picks, and a coach and center who's either been to the finals or won it. [/quote]
The Cavs weren't even trying to make the playoffs during his first two years in the league. Dan Gilbert and Chris Grant notoriously and publicly talked about a "three year plan" that they had devised for them to get into playoff contention.
This past season was their first real attempt to make it in, and it was marred -- not by Irving -- but by the Andrew Bynum experiment that went hopelessly wrong almost immediately. The Cavs were 17 games below .500 with him on the roster and with a completely healthy team around him. They were virtually .500 after he was traded and they managed to do so even with injuries to key guys (Irving, Waiters, Deng, Varejao).
We'll never know if it was a playoff team without the Bynum experiment in the first half of the season, but the numbers usually don't lie when they're that glaring. And, in retrospect, I'll take not making the playoffs last season for Joel Embiid being our center for the next 8+ years.
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]That's my point, it still stands, and it's a matter of fact. I threw in Kemba later because he was the same draft, has arguably better stats this year, and still made the playoffs on a shit team with shit management that obviously surpasses the Cavs.[/QUOTE]
I'm curious to see these "better" stats from Kemba. A very quick glimpse shows little support for that notion. Less points on far worse efficiency and less assists, while being on a roster where he was more of an afterthought for opposing defenses who had to contend with Al Jefferson on a nightly basis.
Meanwhile, Irving was the focus of every opponent, every night, all season long, and he still put up 20+/6+ with a career low turnover rate and improved defense.
No, I don't see where you're coming from.
Re: Report: Cavs likely to pick between Wiggins/Parker
[QUOTE=Springsteen]Where are you getting these stats? Out of your bunghole? Did you miss the tons of posts above yours showing how Kyrie regressed offensively yet still had a better season state wise than Kemba?
The Bobcats made the playoffs this year because MJ paid out the wazoo for Big Al who just took a huge leap this season. Kemba helped of course, but that's the main factor.[/QUOTE]
Lol he took a 3 year deal. Wake up idiot. No one wanted him.
Re: Report: Cavs likely to pick between Wiggins/Parker
[QUOTE=Springsteen]Where are you getting these stats? Out of your bunghole? Did you miss the tons of posts above yours showing how Kyrie regressed offensively yet still had a better season state wise than Kemba?
The Bobcats made the playoffs this year because MJ paid out the wazoo for Big Al who just took a huge leap this season. Kemba helped of course, but that's the main factor.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/pBtHe2p.png[/IMG]
You homers satisfied? Those are [I]arguably [/I]better.
1 ppg fewer with slightly more rebounds, more blocks, more steals, better shooting percentage, and extremely better 3pt%. Curiosity cured?
And I like how the three year and 4 top 4 pick plan played out. I'm pretty accepting of where the Pistons are at after 4-5 bad years; it's amazing to see you Cav homers come hard after a half century of suck. You guys are delusional.
Re: Report: Cavs likely to pick between Wiggins/Parker
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/pBtHe2p.png[/IMG]
You homers satisfied? Those are [I]arguably [/I]better.
1 ppg fewer with slightly more rebounds, more blocks, more steals, better shooting percentage, and extremely better 3pt%. Curiosity cured?
And I like how the three year and 4 top 4 pick plan played out.[/QUOTE]
Ummmm, those stats show Walker's 2014 playoff stats, while the Irving's is the whole season. So Walker's stats are from a 4 game sample. :applause:
Re: Report: Cavs likely to pick between Wiggins/Parker
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/pBtHe2p.png[/IMG]
You homers satisfied. Those are [I]arguably [/I]better.
1 ppg fewer with slightly more rebounds, more blocks, more steals, better shooting percentage, and extremely better 3pt%. Curiosity cured?
And I like how the three year and 4 top 4 pick plan played out.[/QUOTE]
So, you compare 4 games by Walker to 71 by Irving? :oldlol:
You can't be serious right now. This [I][B]has [/B][/I]to be an attempt at trolling. I'm now convinced.
Re: Report: Cavs likely to pick between Wiggins/Parker
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/pBtHe2p.png[/IMG]
You homers satisfied? Those are [I]arguably [/I]better.
1 ppg fewer with slightly more rebounds, more blocks, more steals, better shooting percentage, and extremely better 3pt%. Curiosity cured?
And I like how the three year and 4 top 4 pick plan played out. I'm pretty accepting of where the Pistons are at after 4-5 bad years; it's amazing to see you Cav homers come hard after a half century of suck. You guys are delusional.[/QUOTE]
:roll:
Re: Report: Cavs likely to pick between Wiggins/Parker
Lol it pulls up playoff stats.