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[QUOTE=sbw19][COLOR=Teal][B]I don't think 1986 Bird would lose 4 games to SA by an average of double-digit let alone 18 ppg if you put him on this 2014 Miami squad. They'd still lose, but not in an embarrassing fashion.
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What exactly would Bird have done to avoid Miami losing in the fashion they did? Bron had himself a solid series; had a few big scoring runs, and Miami was still dominated. Would he be defending Mills + Kawhi/Green + Diaw all game?
[QUOTE=sbw19][COLOR=Teal][B]I don't think 1986 Bird would lose 4 games to SA by an average of double-digit let alone 18 ppg if you put him on this 2014 Miami squad. They'd still lose, but not in an embarrassing fashion.
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He wouldnt improve the defense.....
Entire team was slow to rotate. Bird certainly would not have been much better and would no have been able to switch onto Parker.
They probably get swept.
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Keep saying "inflated numbers" or other bullshit cliches like that though, thinking it is as simple as that just to prop-up your argument.
Dead all that noise, please, slowly take the ether.
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Oh shit, what a post. :bowdown:
[QUOTE=navy]He wouldnt improve the defense.....
Entire team was slow to rotate. Bird certainly would not have been much better and would no have been able to switch onto Parker.
They probably get swept.[/QUOTE]
With Bird they don't get abused in the post and Bird's not afraid to go Jordanesque and shoot till they barf. Also, Bird gets easier buckets for his teammates because of his passing in the post.
Will say that it'd be hard to win for any great player because the Heat just quit.
One guy does not beat an entire team no matter how much of a superstar baller he is. Still a team game.
Bird's three year peak is comparable to Lebron's three-year run, but in terms of careers, including the post-season, Lebron passed Bird a couple of years ago. And he is pulling away day-by-day...
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]Bird's three year peak is comparable to Lebron's three-year run, but in terms of careers, including the post-season, Lebron passed Bird a couple of years ago. And he is pulling away day-by-day...[/QUOTE]
So: Lebron>Bird>>>Wilt ?:applause:
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]Bird's three year peak is comparable to Lebron's three-year run, but in terms of careers, including the post-season, Lebron passed Bird a couple of years ago. And he is pulling away day-by-day...[/QUOTE]
Nope. I never saw Bird disappear and become a non factor on the court during a Finals series the way Lebron James did in 2011 against Dallas. You can say what you want" it was still Wades team, who wqs Batman who was Robin blah blh blah..." But the fact is is that he disappeared, especially in those 4th quarters. Bird may have come up short,he may have missed some clutch shots, but he never disappeared. No disrespect to Lebron James, the man is the best show in town right now. But I hope when the Mt. Rushmore books are written, we dont forget about that series in 2011.
[QUOTE=Harison]So much disrespect for Bird in this thread, Bird >>> Lebron, and its not as close as simple box stats would suggest.[/QUOTE]
Well, Bird certainly had the better team. Wouldn't you agree?
Most would agree Bird was the best player in the world in '86. I think that seems to be the consensus. Look at the level of competition he had to go through to get that claim. I dont need to list all the superstars that could have had that title in 1986 but the list is long, guys. Bird is an untouchable great.
LeBron
Bird had it too easy with the faster pace of the '80. Easier shots all around. Put him in halfcourt and he is done.
[QUOTE=LeBird]So: Lebron>Bird>>>Wilt ?:applause:[/QUOTE]
Aside from FT shooting, and keep in mind that Wilt MADE 2000 more FTs in his career than Bird did...there was no other area, including passing, in which Bird was better than Wilt. And in most, Chamberlain was MILES better (rebounding, scoring, defense, efficiency, and shot-blocking.)
And Wilt could carry a 40-40 team to a game seven, one point loss, against a 62-18 Celtic team at the height of the dynasty, and with a 30-31 .555 series. Meanwhile, Bird couldn't even win a FMVP on a 62-20 team that barely beat a 40-42 Rockets team in the Finals one year. And the reality was, no one had more post-season "choke' jobs than Bird did my friend. It would take a long paragraph to illustrate that fact.
Wilt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bird
[QUOTE=Jacks3]Bird stans ignoring LeBron's astronomical defensive advantage. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Lebron didn't have an "astronomical" advantage on defense, people on this board just never really saw Bird play defense and just go by word of mouth. Neither of them were great on ball defenders - though Lebron was better, and both were great help defenders - though Lebron was better.
Ignoring intangibles:
Lebron was a better defender overall, better in the fast break, better at driving to the basket, better at finishing around the rim, and better at controlling an offense.
Bird was better outside shooter, better off ball player, better catch and shoot player, better rebounder, and better passer.
It really depends on the team and roll your trying to make/fill. Take your pick.
Also, a 10% higher pace doesn't mean the number 1 option's stats go down 10%.
[QUOTE=DatAsh]Lebron didn't have an "astronomical" advantage on defense, people on this board just never really saw Bird play defense and just go by word of mouth. Neither of them were great on ball defenders - though Lebron was better, and both were great help defenders - though Lebron was better.
Ignoring intangibles:
Lebron was a better defender overall, better in the fast break, better at driving to the basket, better at finishing around the rim, and better at controlling an offense.
Bird was better outside shooter, better off ball player, better catch and shoot player, better rebounder, and better passer.
It really depends on the team and roll your trying to make/fill. Take your pick.[/QUOTE]
Bird was pretty exceptional at finishing around the rim. Can you imagine how many times he would get to the line today? You breathe on someone and its a flagrant. Okay I exaggerated, but he'd be taking 10 or 12 free throws a game haha.
[QUOTE=sbw19][COLOR=Teal][B]I don't think 1986 Bird would lose 4 games to SA by an average of double-digit let alone 18 ppg if you put him on this 2014 Miami squad. They'd still lose, but not in an embarrassing fashion.
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cmon broski