Kyrie Irving Signs 5 year extension (Max)

[QUOTE=wagexslave]I don't think there's such thing as a team other than Cleveland who is desperate enough to give an unproven player like Kyrie Irving 18m/year.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]He's about as good as Deng was.[/QUOTE]
Deng fckin sucks. Let another team pay him $10mil for shit.

Isaiah Thomas pretty much is the player right now that he'll be in 3-4 years. It is what it is with him, but Kyrie has superstar potential. Cavs would've fcked up if they didn't give Kyrie this deal. You can't live off the free agent market in Cleveland. If you hit gold in the draft, you lock them up. Good deal on both sides. Hope the Cavs can pick up a legit veteran to "wisen" up the team.

So many people underrating Deng it's insane.

So 19/7/4 on 45% shooting while playing with a bad Achilles sucks?

[QUOTE=Meticode]So many people underrating Deng it's insane.

So 19/7/4 on 45% shooting while playing with a bad Achilles sucks?[/QUOTE]

Bring those stats to the Hawks.

[QUOTE=Meticode]So many people underrating Deng it's insane.

So 19/7/4 on 45% shooting while playing with a bad Achilles sucks?[/QUOTE]
That was like a 20 game sample on the Bulls. Erratic shooter. Slowing down immensely. Relies on wingspan to defend now. He was probably worth his contract back then but now, anyone giving him $10+ million is :facepalm

[QUOTE=Mass Debator]That was like a 20 game sample on the Bulls. Erratic shooter. Slowing down immensely. Relies on wingspan to defend now. He was probably worth his contract back then but now, anyone giving him $10+ million is :facepalm[/QUOTE]
25 games, and his role was completely different to begin with this year. He was asked to initiate the offense more once Rose went back down. He had to handle the scoring load more because who the hell else is going to score? Thib's played his ass into the ground over the years and he put up 19/7/4 on a bum ass achilles to where he couldn't even play back-to-backs when he was with the Cavs. Of course he'd slow down immensely with that and then given the fact you're playing on a whole new team after 9 seasons with a coach that doesn't have a clue what to do on the offensive side or just doesn't care enough.

[QUOTE=Meticode]So many people underrating Deng it's insane.

So 19/7/4 on 45% shooting while playing with a bad Achilles sucks?[/QUOTE]
Theyre underrating him because of his contract. If he was only getting 2mil a year he'd be solid gold.

[QUOTE=1~Gibson~1]Theyre underrating him because of his contract. If he was only getting 2mil a year he'd be solid gold.[/QUOTE]
He certainly doesn't deserve the $14.5 million he made this year. But he's worth $10 million to me when he's healthy. Like I said, Woj reporeted he'll probably get a contract worth $10-$12, I wouldn't be surprised if it's around $13 to be honest.

[COLOR="Magenta"]where do all these ppl get these "sources" from that guys r unhappy n want to leave? Like wtf r hangn out with these players?

the fact kyrie signed so quickly shows he never wanted to leave

Gud move by Cle , dude is gnna b a beast [/COLOR]

Can I just say that these constant comparisons between Kyrie and Isaiah Thomas are both ludicrous and head-scratching. First of all, the same people making the comparisons, which are completely based on box scores are probably also the ones who were likely diminishing Kyrie in his first two years as being all numbers, no substance. People use statistics when it suits them.

Second, Thomas had a really good year. He probably stacked up well statistically against most point guards in the league. The guy averaged 20+ points and 6+ assists on 45+% shooting.

He had a nice season. Props to him. Let's see if he can do it consistently before everyone starts comparing him to a guy who [I][B]earned [/B][/I]a max contract, which Kyrie has.

Third, and the most obvious... anyone who actually sat down and watched the Cavs this past season (there weren't a ton of us) knows that every night, defending Kyrie was the opposing defense's first job. He was seeing doubles and traps all over the floor. Every basket and every assist was made through the teeth of focused defenses. It even got to the point where Waiters, Jack and Delly began alternating at the point, because playing off the ball made Irving harder to double (and he had success playing off the ball).

It would be easy to say, "Well, he's the point guard. Just pass it when the doubles come," but he was far and away the Cavs' best scorer and, in general, they didn't stand a chance if he wasn't putting the ball in the basket. And, defenses knew it.

Thomas has never been the focus of any defenses. They worry about Cousins first, Gay second... he might be third on the pecking order. Maybe.

Last, Thomas will be 25 next season. Irving will be 22.

It's a weak comparison.

[QUOTE=Meticode]He certainly doesn't deserve the $14.5 million he made this year. But he's worth $10 million to me when he's healthy. Like I said, Woj reporeted he'll probably get a contract worth $10-$12, I wouldn't be surprised if it's around $13 to be honest.[/QUOTE]
I have to wonder what version of Deng you were watching. Chicago ran him into the ground and it showed. You can blame it on injuries, but he looked like a guy whose career was running on fumes.

Who knows, maybe he'll turn things back around this season. But, would you feel comfortable giving him four years, $48 million based on what you saw? I don't think many Cavs fans would. And, I don't think many Bulls fans would either.

That says a lot.

Deng's a good player when he's dialed in and healthy.

3 year guaranteed deals are out of the question if you ask me. He may be worth 10 mill for 3 years with a team option on the third to the right team. Maybe.

[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]It's interesting because statistically Isaiah Thomas was just as good as Irving and by advanced stats even better but he's probably gonna get like 7-8 mil while Irving gets 18...[/QUOTE]

isiaih also three years older

and even aside from his age, just looking at their games, kyrie has a lot more potential.

[QUOTE=chips93]isiaih also three years older

and even aside from his age, just looking at their games, kyrie has a lot more potential.[/QUOTE]
I'll address RBA's post later when I have more time but:

Isaiah was slightly better this year (at least imo) but yeah I DO think Irving deserves to be paid more than him based on potential....but not 10 million more on a longer term deal. He's not worth more than 2x Isaiah.

[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]Can I just say that these constant comparisons between Kyrie and Isaiah Thomas are both ludicrous and head-scratching. First of all, the same people making the comparisons, which are completely based on box scores are probably also the ones who were likely diminishing Kyrie in his first two years as being all numbers, no substance. People use statistics when it suits them.

Second, Thomas had a really good year. He probably stacked up well statistically against most point guards in the league. The guy averaged 20+ points and 6+ assists on 45+% shooting.

He had a nice season. Props to him. Let's see if he can do it consistently before everyone starts comparing him to a guy who [I][B]earned [/B][/I]a max contract, which Kyrie has.

Third, and the most obvious... anyone who actually sat down and watched the Cavs this past season (there weren't a ton of us) knows that every night, defending Kyrie was the opposing defense's first job. He was seeing doubles and traps all over the floor. Every basket and every assist was made through the teeth of focused defenses. It even got to the point where Waiters, Jack and Delly began alternating at the point, because playing off the ball made Irving harder to double (and he had success playing off the ball).

It would be easy to say, "Well, he's the point guard. Just pass it when the doubles come," but he was far and away the Cavs' best scorer and, in general, they didn't stand a chance if he wasn't putting the ball in the basket. And, defenses knew it.

Thomas has never been the focus of any defenses. They worry about Cousins first, Gay second... he might be third on the pecking order. Maybe.

Last, Thomas will be 25 next season. Irving will be 22.

It's a weak comparison.[/QUOTE]

Kyrie did not earn his max contract. If he did, then we have incredibly low standards for max players, Deng is a better player and he's not getting a max, Parsons is a better player and he's not getting a max, same as Lowry.
Of course it's a weak comparison, Isiah Thomas is better, has a better character, better passer, better defender, much more heart in him.
Shit, I'd take Avery Bradley, Lance Stephenson over him in a heart beat.
Kyrie is incredibly overrated, he's a no defense, injury prone gunner who has little to no passing ability as a point guard