The GOAT List: 2014 Edition

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[SIZE="4"][B][FONT="Book Antiqua"]#186 Gerald Eugene Sloan
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[B]Tier Classification:[/B] Winning Pieces: Stars & Specialists
[B]Years Played (Quality Prime Seasons):[/B] 10 (9)
[B]Primary Role(s):[/B] #2/#3/#4 on balanced playoff teams
[B]Prime Averages: [/B] 15-8-3-2 on 43/72
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[SIZE="4"][B][FONT="Book Antiqua"]#185 Norman Allen Van Lier III
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[B]Tier Classification:[/B] Winning Pieces: Stars & Specialists
[B]Years Played (Quality Prime Seasons):[/B] 10 (7)
[B]Primary Role(s):[/B] #2/#3/#4 on balanced playoff teams
[B]Prime Averages: [/B] 13-5-7-2 on 42/79
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[SIZE="3"][FONT="Comic Sans MS"]-[SIZE="6"]T[/SIZE]he Chicago Bulls of the 1970

Charlie Scott was also a playground legend out at Rucker Park. I wanna say he has one of the highest ppg avg in ABA/NBA history. Kenon is very forgotten player but the mid-late 70s is probably the most non talked about era in basketball save from 1946 until Russell was drafted.

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[SIZE="4"][B][FONT="Book Antiqua"]#184 Richard Clay Hamilton
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[B]Tier Classification:[/B] Winning Pieces: Stars & Specialists
[B]Years Played (Quality Prime Seasons):[/B] 14 (9)
[B]Primary Role(s):[/B] Go-to-guy on Contending Teams
[B]Prime Averages: [/B] 19-3-4-1 on 45/35/85
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[SIZE="3"][FONT="Comic Sans MS"]-[SIZE="6"]I[/SIZE] already miss Rip Hamilton. When we (I say we to mean the Detroit Pistons) traded for Rip I was lukewarm. I had finally come around to Jerry Stackhouse, Rick Carlisle had him playing defense and jacking up considerably less bad shots. But the trade was made along with the signing of Chauncey Billups and few could have guessed it would become the beginning of the best backcourt in the last 20 years. Hamilton is a poor-mans Reggie Miller. He is supremely conditioned, can run off screens all day and understands how to get open as well as anyone. Pair those traits with a deadly mid-range jumper and a lightning quick release from his long 6

I think Van Lier waa much better than Rip. I think he's at least a tier above him. Same with Scott.

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]I think Van Lier waa much better than Rip. I think he's at least a tier above him. Same with Scott.[/QUOTE]

Looking at the numbers, the accolades, the team success, I don;t see it. Rip was the leading scorer for an NBA Champion and a constant 20ppg guy for deep playoff runs.

All in the same tier to me. Slight edge to Rip for winning the title in his role.

Love the list man! keep it up. love reading this stuff..

[QUOTE=G.O.A.T]Looking at the numbers, the accolades, the team success, I dthey doe it. Rip was the leading scorer for an NBA Champion and a constant 20ppg guy for deep playoff runs.

All in the same tier to me. Slight edge to Rip for winning the title in his role.[/QUOTE]
Don't get me wrong I like Rip but he doesn't have the individual accolades they have. Those guys were either top ten in scoring some seasons or a top defender at their position. he wasn't dominant enough to seperate himself without those accolades. That's what seperates a Gus Williams from a Rip. Similar situation over in Seattle no superstars but he had a few more accolades that seperates him and Rip.

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]Don't get me wrong I like Rip but he doesn't have the individual accolades they have. Those guys were either top ten in scoring some seasons or a top defender at their position. he wasn't dominant enough to seperate himself without those accolades. That's what seperates a Gus Williams from a Rip. Similar situation over in Seattle no superstars but he had a few more accolades that seperates him and Rip.[/QUOTE]

Charlie Scott was a top ten scorer on real bad teams. He was the 3rd/4th option on good teams while still in his twenties.

Van Lier was a great defender and a good play maker but I'll take a 22 per game scorer on the NBA Champion and above average defender over 13-4-6 an all-league defense on a borderline contender.

Gus Williams may still be heard from...

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[SIZE="4"][B][FONT="Book Antiqua"]#182 Paul Norman Seymour
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[B]Tier Classification:[/B] Winning Pieces: Stars & Specialists
[B]Years Played (Quality Prime Seasons):[/B] 12 (5)
[B]Primary Role(s):[/B] #2/#3 on playoff teams
[B]Prime Averages: [/B] 13-4-5 on 34/80
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[SIZE="3"][FONT="Comic Sans MS"]-[SIZE="6"]T[/SIZE]hree time all-star and two time all-NBA selection. Second leading scoring and assist leader for 1955 NBA Champions. Defensive standout and during his prime one of the top playmakers in the league. Played in two NBA Finals. Got better after the transition to the shot clock era. Outstanding foul shooter by the end of his career, once made 39 consecutive.
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[SIZE="4"][B][FONT="Book Antiqua"]#181 Robert Francis Wanzer
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[B]Tier Classification:[/B] Winning Pieces: Stars & Specialists
[B]Years Played (Quality Prime Seasons):[/B] 9 (6)
[B]Primary Role(s):[/B] #2/#3 on playoff teams
[B]Prime Averages: [/B] 13-5-3 on 39/83
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[SIZE="3"][FONT="Comic Sans MS"]-[SIZE="6"]T[/SIZE]eamed with Bob Davies to form one of the NBA

Ahh, the forgotten era of the NBA the early 1950s. Andy Phillip, Arnie Risen, Carl Braun and Mel Hutchins. Will they make it or jut missed the cut? Maurice Stokes don't think he had a long enough career. He was probably on his was to a top 10-15 NBA career.

Tks Man!

My favorite list on ISH!!!:rockon:

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[SIZE="4"][B][FONT="Book Antiqua"]#176 Rolando Antonio Blackman
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[B]Tier Classification:[/B] Second Tier Stars
[B]Years Played (Quality Prime Seasons):[/B] 13 (9)
[B]Primary Role(s):[/B] #2/#3 on playoff teams
[B]Prime Averages: [/B] 20-4-4-1 on 50/33/84
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[SIZE="3"][FONT="Comic Sans MS"]-[SIZE="6"]J[/SIZE]oining the Mavericks in 1981, the start of their second season in existence, Blackman along with classmate Mark Aguirre and later selections Derek Harper and Sam Perkins would form the core of the Mavericks first playoff team. From 1984 to 1988 the Mavericks won an average of 49 games, made the playoffs each season and peaked pushing to Lakers to seven games in the 1988 Western Conference Finals. Blackman was the go-to-guy in the clutch. Possessing a dangerous combination of speed, sensational ball handling and outstanding body control and balance Blackman could flat out score. He almost always went right, but if you cut him off he

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[SIZE="4"][B][FONT="Book Antiqua"]#173 Micheal Ray Richardson
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[B]Tier Classification:[/B] Stars: Brief Prime
[B]Years Played (Quality Prime Seasons):[/B] 8 (4)
[B]Primary Role(s):[/B]#1/#2/#3 on Borderline playoff teams
[B]Prime Averages: [/B] 18-7-8-3 on 46/22/70
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[SIZE="3"][FONT="Comic Sans MS"]-[SIZE="6"]H[/SIZE]n all-time what could have been story here. Michael Ray Richardson burst onto the NBA scene and just as quickly was gone. He battled substance abuse throughout his prime years and still posted eye popping numbers, even leading the league in steals and assists in his sophomore season of 1979-80. He was in some ways the East Coast answer to Magic Johnson at the point guard position. A 6

Occasionally, there are great ISH threads. This is one of them. Thanks for the ABA players being included. I myself believe their stats should be given equal weight, especially after 1972.

Collins and Ro are two very overlooked players. There was a special narrated by Chris Rock on TNT back in maybe 2001 called "What ever happened to Micheal Ray Richardson?" It was a great documentary.