[QUOTE=Asukal]And lebron is [B][SIZE="7"]2/5[/SIZE][/B]. :banana:[/QUOTE]
kobe's 2/7 shaqs 3/6 and duncan is 3/6 as well so what?
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[QUOTE=Asukal]And lebron is [B][SIZE="7"]2/5[/SIZE][/B]. :banana:[/QUOTE]
kobe's 2/7 shaqs 3/6 and duncan is 3/6 as well so what?
[QUOTE=Asukal]Remind us again how many rings the bulls won before and after Jordan played for them? :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
I don't see how that's relevant. But we all know the answer is zero.
[QUOTE=dubeta]kobe's 2/7 shaqs 3/6 and duncan is 3/6 as well so what?[/QUOTE]
OHHHHH! He mad. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=kshutts1][B]I don't see how that's relevant.[/B] But we all know the answer is zero.[/QUOTE]
:biggums:
[QUOTE=dubeta]kobe's 2/7 shaqs 3/6 and duncan is 3/6 as well so what?[/QUOTE]
LeBron fans and their 5th grade education :oldlol: Lets help them out:
Kobe and the Lakers have made 7 finals, Kobe and the Lakers have won 5 of them.
Shaq and the teams he's played for have made 6 finals, Shaq and the teams he's played for have won 4 of them.
Duncan and the Spurs have made 6 finals, Duncan and the Spurs have won 5 of them.
Boilded down:
Duncan - 5/6
Kobe - 5/7
Shaq - 4/6
5/6, 5/7, 4/6 > 2/5
Here's Jordan at 38 years old in his first meeting with Garnett..
From the 4:00 minute mark until the 5:20 mark, Jordan goes 1-on-1 versus Garnett 5 successive possessions in a row and scores each time.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=embqhggoep4[/url]
At this point in the season, Jordan was averaging 25ppg, 5, and 5 (1 of 3 guys in the league doing that), before his knees got worse.
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]LeBron fans and their 5th grade education :oldlol: Lets help them out:
Kobe and the Lakers have made 7 finals, Kobe and the Lakers have won 5 of them.
Shaq and the teams he's played for have made 6 finals, Shaq and the teams he's played for have won 4 of them.
Duncan and the Spurs have made 6 finals, Duncan and the Spurs have won 5 of them.
Boilded down:
Duncan - 5/6
Kobe - 5/7
Shaq - 4/6
5/6, 5/7, 4/6 > 2/5[/QUOTE]
Horry 7/7 u fail
[QUOTE=dubeta]Horry 7/7 u fail[/QUOTE]
Horry isn't relevant to this discussion. Are you conceding? :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Horry isn't relevant to this discussion. Are you conceding? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
:facepalm
Horry and the teams he played for are 7 out of 7 in NBA championships, im using your logic
[QUOTE=dubeta]:facepalm
Horry and the teams he played for are 7 out of 7 in NBA championships, im using your logic[/QUOTE]
My logic pertains to winning championships, the same logic the poster you quoted was using.
Shaq, Kobe, and Duncan were all-star caliber players when they won their rings. Horry was not.
Damn this is like target practice :oldlol:
[QUOTE=3ball]Here's Jordan at 38 years old in his first meeting with Garnett..
From the 4:00 minute mark until the 5:20 mark, Jordan goes 1-on-1 versus Garnett 5 successive possessions in a row and scores each time.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=embqhggoep4[/url]
At this point in the season, Jordan was averaging 25ppg, 5, and 5 (1 of 3 guys in the league doing that), before his knees got worse.[/QUOTE]
You realize that at Garnett's age Jordan was still sleeping in a bunk bed and playing against other kids right??
Bottom line, people, human kind is very limited in what it can process, especially for things that they never saw. People tend to focus on one thing at a time, and not the whole picture, while dismissing the things that contradict their point of view.
Another thing is being in the moment. Remember the thread saying that Lebron returning to Cleveland was a bigger moment than the Jordan icon returning to the NBA. They're so lost in the current moment, that even they though they weren't alive then, they are convinced that this big moment in their life is huge, much bigger than anything else. How many people would dare say that now?
Reminds me of watching a game, Reggie Miller vs Penny, clutch shots after clutch shots. At the time, that was really big, seeing it live. Must be one of the most unbelievable moments ever in the NBA, meanwhile if you show it now, after the fact, not in the moment, it's like whatever. I'm always reminded of that when I see a young person getting really excited after someone hits a game winning shot. To me it's just another game winner, to a young person, it's pure excitement and in awe of the player who hit the shot.
It's perspective too. One of the many things that I've seen from teens is putting down big time players that played before their time, as if they were average players. Players who were superstars, but never won a championship. That's always been amazing, how a player could be at the top of world, admired for his ability, and then they are looked at as not being that good by people who never saw them play, and using it as an excuse as to why their era are better. An example of that would be Durant if he never wins a championship, I could clearly see teenagers 15 years from now saying, "Who did Lebron beat, Durant?" In a he's a scrub tone. That's the one thing that always interest me, that change in perspective.
[QUOTE=RRR3]His statistics are clearly better than most players ever, and his playoff stats are equally ridiculous. It's kind of silly to me when people act like Jordan being amazing is some media driven narrative. Now I didn't watch him play, so I can't make the arguments many here can, but if you research his career, I don't see how you can't see a guy with probably the best case for GOAT or at least top 3-5.[/QUOTE]
Holy shit!?!? Never watched Jordan play and not being a bitter little bitch that feels deprived for having been born too late to witness his airness?
This could be an ISH first.
[QUOTE=Asukal]:biggums:[/QUOTE]
I can think of no legitimate argument that would say that since the Bulls before Jordan, made up of completely different people, and the Bulls after Jordan, also made up of completely different people, didn't win a title that Jordan = GOAT. There is, literally, zero relevance to that argument.
If I want to "stoop" to your level, the Bulls also never won a title without Pippen. So is he also the GOAT?
Dick Bradley, Bill Bradley, Dave Debusschere, Walt Frazier and Willis Reed are also the GOAT, since the Knicks never won a title without them.
So, now that we've put that completely irrelevant argument to rest... Those bolded items were team accomplishments. Last I checked, it's literally impossible to win a title or a FMVP or an MVP on a terrible team.
OP joined ISH 3 years ago today. Happy anniversary.