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None of what you just quoted in any contradicts with what I said, in fact it was exactly what I said.
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[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]snip[/QUOTE]
None of what you just quoted in any contradicts with what I said, in fact it was exactly what I said.
As a Pippen fan I find all of this very refreshing to read. It also makes me feel less dumb for thinking Pippen was the best player before I was old enough to fully grasp basketball.
[QUOTE=DatAsh]None of what you just quoted in any contradicts with what I said, in fact it was exactly what I said.[/QUOTE]
Man up. I exposed your "LeBron stan" theory. I was critical of LeBron at various points in previous years, especially in 2010-2012 post-Decision. MJ stans then accused me of being a Kobe stan. So I was a closet LeBron stan the whole time, was also a closet Kobe stan while watching random Bulls games to maintain a secret spy cover as a faux Pippen fan? :roll: MJ stans simply, as a group, unable to grasp Pippen actually had/has fans.
[B]No, you attempted to give MJ all the credit for practice while Bulls' players note both players had an equally important practice role. [/B]
[QUOTE]Anyone who's done any research on this subject already knows full well that Pippen and Jordan were both great leaders on that team. Pippen was the guy that most of the younger guys went to for leadership or advice, [B]Jordan was [U][I][COLOR="Red"]the[/COLOR][/I][/U] guy who set the championship tone and pushed everyone in practice to get better.[/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]I think Scottie Pippen is severely underrated as a contributor to the Bulls 6 rings.[/QUOTE]
:cheers:
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]Man up. I exposed your "LeBron stan" theory. I was critical of LeBron at various points in previous years, especially in 2010-2012 post-Decision.
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Huh?
[QUOTE]MJ stans then accused me of being a Kobe stan. So I was a closet LeBron stan the whole time, was also a closet Kobe stan while watching random Bulls games to maintain a secret spy cover as a faux Pippen fan? :roll: MJ stans simply, as a group, unable to grasp Pippen actually had/has fans.[/QUOTE]
I really don't care what you are or aren't, as I don't really keep up with the trolls on this board, I've just taken notice to the topics you've been commenting on recently. Apologies if I've misread you, but you should really talk about something else from time to time.
[QUOTE]No, you attempted to give MJ all the credit for practice[/QUOTE]
I did no such thing. Your mind may work in absolutes, but the rest of the world doesn't. All I said was Jordan set the tone and pushed the team to their limits in practice, something he's notorious for. From what I've read Pippen was a very hard worker and very vocal in practice, I think it's big reason why Jordan liked him so much - Kerr was the same way.
[QUOTE=DatAsh]OP is a notorious Lebron stan who masquerades as a Bulls fan to prop up Pippen and seem impartial in his efforts to diminish Jordan. He's posted this exact message 10+ times already in various threads. That's why most people aren't taking this seriously. Personally I have no interest in discussing Pippen with someone who obviously has no interest whatsoever in Pippen and is just using him as a means to further his Lebron agenda.
Anyone who's done any research on this subject already knows full well that Pippen and Jordan were both great leaders on that team. Pippen was the guy that most of the younger guys went to for leadership or advice, Jordan was the guy who set the championship tone and pushed everyone in practice to get better.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I don't particularly care about bias. Everyone has bias. If I cared about bias, I'd lump you in the same group as the other stans for your consistent pushing of Russell.
Ultimately, it comes to being able to argue the case in an intelligible way. If you have a problem with what he is posting (like, he's lying) then retort. I've never seen him exaggerate the truth, misrepresent it any kind of way or even get into foul-mouthed slanging matches.
[QUOTE=DatAsh]Also, there are real Pippen fans on this forum(Smoke117, Da_Realist, 97 Bulls) that had they posted this thread, you'd be seeing more legitimate responses.[/QUOTE]
So they rally against the tide because of the poster and not what is being posted. That tells you all you need to know about the intelligence of these posters. It also shows there's nothing inherently wrong with what he is posting.
Fortunately, I've read enough posts from all these posters to know exactly why they're butt-hurt he's even made this point. The narrative is that Jordan was playing with scrubs and if they weren't scrubs Jordan [I]made[/I] them ballers. This thread just poops on that point - as if it needed to for anyone with half a brain.
[QUOTE=PJR][url]http://youtu.be/bYcjCoy7R4I[/url]
Dat leadership![/QUOTE]
Scottie was a mental midget of the highest (or lowest) order and this was just a continuation of that. His 'migraines' potentially cost Chicago another championship. And as the above proved, he was not made to be the alpha dog and was not above pouting like a petulant child and endangering the team if he didn't get his way (he did the same in Houston).
Of course players will like his style of leadership more- he was like the grandmother whose shoulder they could cry on and bake them cookies when their father berated them for being f*ck ups. Some people don't respond well to being challenged and pushed to their limits, they'd rather be coddled by a mother hen.
But then when the chips are down and guys are looking for someone to close the show and all they have is the mother hen sitting at the end of the bench crying because she didn't get her way... well...
I don't care if MJ stans dislike me. Of course they won't. I've been routinely exposing them for 5 years. What I take offense to is the "fake Pippen fan" attacks. They have accused me of being a faux Pippen fan my entire time here (well, other than my first 2 months or so when I was pro-Mike). For YEARS they said I was a closet Kobe stan. YEARS. They said I was Fatal9. Now, in 2014, the same clowns are saying I am a closet LeBron stan and Pauk. :roll:
[QUOTE]All I said was Jordan set the tone and pushed the team to their limits in practice, something he's notorious for. [/QUOTE]
Yeah MJ was an important leader. He and Cartwright are why the thread title says "A leader" not "THE leader" because there were multiple leaders on Chicago--like there are on most teams.
[QUOTE]Apologies if I've misread you, but you should really talk about something else from time to time.[/QUOTE]
I've posted several threads on Rose, Shaq and various other topics over the years. I also am often in Bulls threads (MJ stans have never identified which TEAM I root for if it isn't Chicago :oldlol: ).
Good cop / Bad cop ... Is this anything news worthy?
[QUOTE=Mr Exlax]As a Pippen fan I find all of this very refreshing to read. It also makes me feel less dumb for thinking Pippen was the best player before I was old enough to fully grasp basketball.[/QUOTE]
I like these stories too, they really further your appreciation for the kind of man he was as a teammate. Dude laid it all out there for his team and teammates. He basically transformed himself into the player his team needed him to be. Who knows if we ever saw the true Scottie Pippen.
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Fortunately, I've read enough posts from all these posters to know exactly why they're butt-hurt he's even made this point. The narrative is that Jordan was playing with scrubs and if they weren't scrubs Jordan [I]made[/I] them ballers. This thread just poops on that point - as if it needed to for anyone with half a brain.[/QUOTE]
My point was that there's a reason only Jordan stans are responding. I think a lot of his posts about Pippen are spot on, his reputation kinda ruins most people's will to get involved though.
"Scottie chose to not go on the court last night for his own specific reason."
A "leader" that asks out of the most crucial time of a playoff game?
:kobe:
This campaign to put Pippen on some pedestal and tear Jordan down is ridiculous. Especially considering it's coming from so called "Bulls fans". Pippen was a great player in his own way, but he's not on the same level as Jordan and other players in the "best of all time" discussion.
[QUOTE=LeBird]Fortunately, I've read enough posts from all these posters to know exactly why they're butt-hurt he's even made this point. The narrative is that Jordan was playing with scrubs and if they weren't scrubs Jordan [I]made[/I] them ballers. This thread just poops on that point - as if it needed to for anyone with half a brain.[/QUOTE]
For years they have criticized Pippen's leadership. Just YESTERDAY several pro-MJ posters were doing the same. So I decided to finally collect evidence on the subject and share it with ISH. And they are :mad: about it. :pimp:
Think about it, what kind of psychos would go ballistic about a thread saying a guy who was a team captain was a leader on the team? He also was a leader in Portland. Last I checked, that had nothing to do with Mike. Mike also wasn't there in 1994 and most of 1995. Pippen was a natural leader (who also ran the team's offense and defense) and it was evident throughout his career. And these people can't bring themselves to give him any credit for it.
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My point was that there's a reason only Jordan stans are responding. I think a lot of his posts about Pippen are spot on, his reputation kinda ruins most people's will to get involved though.[/QUOTE]
They do the same thing in every Pippen thread, irrespective of who the OP is. See [url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=196612[/url] I barely even posted on ISH in 2012 and 2013 and Scottie was still getting bashed by the same 6-8 Mike fans.
I can't believe the hostility lmao. The Jordan stans realy can't accept he isn't the GOAT at everything. Pippen was more of a leader to his teammates than Jordan. Deal with it.
[QUOTE=DatAsh]My point was that there's a reason only Jordan stans are responding. I think a lot of his posts about Pippen are spot on, his reputation kinda ruins most people's will to get involved though.[/QUOTE]
It's hard to get a discussion off the ground when the same group of stans are systematically trying to derail his threads. If they truly didn't care or thought he had an agenda, they'd just let his threads be and die if they're that uninteresting.
It's the threat that they're relevant, true and intelligent that causes them to try to attack him and kill the thread before it starts - before anyone actually gets to engage in the discussion and, you know, possibly give more credit to Pippen for those successes.
This thread has gone 5 pages and there's yet to be an intelligent reply from anyone disagreeing with the theme of the thread.
[QUOTE=LeBird]It's hard to get a discussion off the ground when the same group of stans are systematically trying to derail his threads. If they truly didn't care or thought he had an agenda, they'd just let his threads be and die if they're that uninteresting.
It's the threat that they're relevant, true and intelligent that causes them to try to attack him and kill the thread before it starts - before anyone actually gets to engage in the discussion and, you know, possibly give more credit to Pippen for those successes.
This thread has gone 5 pages and there's yet to be an intelligent reply from anyone disagreeing with the theme of the thread.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. MJ stans could have responded to this thread by:
1) Ignoring it. After all, it is trolling (even though I have 5 years and 5,000+ posts with zero suspensions or bans, unlike several MJ stans :oldlol: ).
2) Given Pippen props for how his leadership helped Chicago win during the MJ years.
3) Given Pippen props while also mentioning MJ's leadership.
Instead they became enraged at the data in the OP and proceeded to rip Pippen--with multiple posters bringing up his darkest moment. I notice DatAsh has not expressed any outrage about that.
This happens in every Pippen thread, even the ones posted by others. Whenever any poster says something pro-Pippen the same 6-8 MJ stans rapidly deploy to that thread to diminish him. Their overarching agenda is not to acknowledge that Pippen was instrumental in the Bulls winning. This is why I shifted to being anti-MJ. Any idiot who searches my posts when I first joined ISH would see I was a MJ advocate at the time.
Great point. 5 pages and no one has disputed what was said. They can't because what was posted is true.