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[QUOTE=pauk]5 Finals appearances.... 2 rings/2 fmvps... 4 mvps.... top 10.... by the age of 29.... [B]on pace to very easily shatter Kareems scoring total[/B] (not to mention much else).....
Sure is amusing.... :bowdown:[/QUOTE]
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Bran is such a great scorer I'm sure he will shatter 30.1 ppg when he retires. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Asukal]:applause:
Bran is such a great scorer I'm sure he will shatter 30.1 ppg when he retires. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
MJ was no doubt a more prolific scorer than Lebron (the best at that in NBA history in my opinion), however scoring totals is a different subject.... thats more about longevity.... something MJ had going for him aswell had he not retired 1000 times...
[QUOTE=Nowitness]so what? fisher is lower on the scoring list than kobe but he's ranked higher all time;
-both had comparable success in their primes
-fish is still competing however. kobe hasn't played a playoff game in about a half decade.[/QUOTE]
You know how long a decade is right?
MJ really messed up by retiring over and over again. He could've made his GOAT status more and more untouchable had he played straight from '84-'03. Maybe he wouldn't had lasted untill '03, but he could've had an even better career had he played basketball from '84 to '99 or 2000.
[B][QUOTE=Poetry]Sweetness & Barry Sanders > Emmitt Smith[/QUOTE]
when did i say career points makes you a better player
i just said it makes you have a better overall career scoring. which is why they keep track in the first place
a guy could hit 50 homeruns 10 straight seasons and retire like barry sanders. is he a better overall career homerun hitter than barry bonds or hank aaron?
no
he'd still only have 500 homeruns. which anyone can get these days
its way harder to get 750+ homeruns
longevity and consistancy is way harder... allot of great players dominate their primes. but to be able to put up prime numbers 5-10 years past your prime year in year out is what makes overall careers even more great
like people would just assume ken griffey was gonna hit 800 homeruns. because he was on pace to over his first 10-11 years in the league. he could have retired that day and gotten the barry sanders treatment. but he kept playing. went to the reds and stunk it up for a decade cause of injuries and other shit. he went from arguable goat to top 30 maybe
so it isnt just automatic cause someone does something for a decade that he can do it for 20 years
you bunch of ****ing moronic assholes
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[QUOTE=KBaller33]MJ really messed up by retiring over and over again. He could've made his GOAT status more and more untouchable had he played straight from '84-'03. Maybe he wouldn't had lasted untill '03, but he could've had an even better career had he played basketball from '84 to '99 or 2000.[/QUOTE]
True, but even still- he has 10 scoring titles and the highest PPG in league History. Doesn't matter if a guy plays 30 years, he's not touching that.
[QUOTE=ralph_i_el]You know how long a decade is right?[/QUOTE]
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2 years apparently
[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]
when did i say career points makes you a better player
i just said it makes you have a better overall career scoring. which is why they keep track in the first place
a guy could hit 50 homeruns 10 straight seasons and retire like barry sanders. is he a better overall career homerun hitter than barry bonds or hank aaron?
no
he'd still only have 500 homeruns. which anyone can get these days
its way harder to get 750+ homeruns
longevity and consistancy is way harder... allot of great players dominate their primes. but to be able to put up prime numbers 5-10 years past your prime year in year out is what makes overall careers even more great
like people would just assume ken griffey was gonna hit 800 homeruns. because he was on pace to over his first 10-11 years in the league. he could have retired that day and gotten the barry sanders treatment. but he kept playing. went to the reds and stunk it up for a decade cause of injuries and other shit. [B]he went from arguable goat to top 30 maybe[/B]
so it isnt just automatic cause someone does something for a decade that he can do it for 20 years
you bunch of ****ing moronic assholes
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Sounds like what's happening to Kobe the next 2 years. :roll: :roll:
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]:roll: :roll:
2 years apparently[/QUOTE]
scoring titles 90% of the time are reserved for people on bad teams or teams that are built entirely on defense and one guy can jack up 25 shots without disrupting the flow
which is basically what MJ had his entire career
half his career was a stinker team. the other half was a derrick rose type built team.
kobe on the other hand was on contenders 99% of his career. he couldnt just play the 2006 mode. especially cause his team was built on passing, chemistry, offensive efficiency and wasnt known much for defense allot of the time.
put kobe on the bulls from 84-98.. he doesnt take breaks. he probably wins 8 titles... and during the 80's he also ups his scoring average and gets that 30ppg and a load of scoring titles playing with a defensive powerhouse
scoring titles have never been impressive. wilt averaged 50 and lost the mvp to russell. so i guess theres more to the game.
kobe sacrificed his entire life to win. jordan was able to average 4 more shots per game his entire career.
its jordans own fault he kept quitting the game. he cost himself the real scoring championship.
[QUOTE=Beastmode88]Sounds like what's happening to Kobe the next 2 years. :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]
except kobe is closing in on that 800 homerun mark within 2-3 years and hes only 35
and he didnt drop off after the 10 year mark like griffey. kobe was a 1st team all nba player in year 11
year 12
year 13
year 14
year 15
year 16
and year 17
also while stacking on more titles :lol
[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]scoring titles 90% of the time are reserved for people on bad teams or teams that are built entirely on defense and one guy can jack up 25 shots without disrupting the flow
which is basically what MJ had his entire career
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:oldlol:
Jordan won 6 of his 10 scoring titles on teams that won the championship. 9 out of the 10 were on teams that went to at least the second round. 8 of the 10 were on teams that won at least 50 games.
Bean on the other hand never won a scoring title during any of the Lakers 5 championship runs. His only 2 scoring titles came on teams that lost in the first round. Neither of those instances were on 50 win teams.
So your claim above only applies to Bean- he was only the supposed best scorer in the league when he was chucking on lottery teams that couldn't get out of the first round or win 50 games (not to mention he only won AFTER the rule changes of the summer of '05).
Talk about a backfire :yaohappy:
[QUOTE=DonDadda59]:oldlol:
Jordan won 6 of his 10 scoring titles on teams that won the championship. 9 out of the 10 were on teams that went to at least the second round. 8 of the 10 were on teams that won at least 50 games.
Bean on the other hand never won a scoring title during any of the Lakers 5 championship runs. His only 2 scoring titles came on teams that lost in the first round. Neither of those instances were on 50 win teams.
So your claim above only applies to Bean- he was only the supposed best scorer in the league when he was chucking on lottery teams that couldn't get out of the first round or win 50 games (not to mention he only won AFTER the rule changes of the summer of '05).
Talk about a backfire :yaohappy:[/QUOTE]
BOOM! Headshot :oldlol:
I'd also like to add that KennethGriffin is full of shit, MJ wasn't on a team where he could shoot to his heart's content, you could argue that he did that in his first few years when he had shit for teammates but after PJax took over, they ran the triangle offense which is based on player and ball movement, MJ was very efficient and shot within the flow of the offense. Griffin trying to revise history as if MJ was hogging the ball all the through shot clock and just jacking up shots all game long :facepalm
[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]except kobe is closing in on that 800 homerun mark within 2-3 years and hes only 35
and he didnt drop off after the 10 year mark like griffey. kobe was a 1st team all nba player in year 11
year 12
year 13
year 14
year 15
year 16
and year 17
also while stacking on [B]more titles[/B] :lol[/QUOTE]
You think Kobe will get title #6? Keep dreaming, you mind as well do what Kobe should of done last year, retire. You better pray he makes it to the playoffs. Not looking good seeing how the Lakers roster is trash. Just look at what happened the year they had Dwight, Nash, MWP and Gasol. Made it to the 8th round and got swept. :roll: :roll: :roll:
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