So, are we picking who we think are the best teams? Top 6 looks like it, right?
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So, are we picking who we think are the best teams? Top 6 looks like it, right?
[QUOTE=wally_world]
- Team Barkleynash
Nice run and gun team. I personally wouldve went with Reggie in the starting lineup instead of Petrovic who is more accustomed to working with the ball in his hands. Curious to know if you thought about younger Philly Chuck instead of MVP Chuck so you could've kept prime Shaq.
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While playing for his national team Petrovic def had the ball a lot but he thrived off ball with the Nets with Kenny Anderson controlling the bulk of the action and Coleman getting lots of action too. I agree Reggie was better at off ball play and would've kept him as a starter had Petrovic not slid to me but he did and in my opinion Drazen was just a better all around player who could mix in his deadly outside shooting with crafty drives. Besides I could still use "old Miller" off the bench and in clutch situations (that mofo was clutch till the end of his career!)
As far as Shaq and Chuck I thought about the swap of ages but I'm more loyal to Charles and I wanted both of them to be really fast for Magic's fast break targets and Laker Shaq didn't run the floor nearly as well as Orlando Shaq. Also older Shaq beefed with teammates more than the younger keener version, while 93 Suns Barkley was just happy to have good teammates after his last few dismal years in Philly.
[QUOTE=Rizko]Good call. Forgot about him completely. Deff would be a good PG in the triangle. Hinrich would have been too.
Stock isn't horrible. Not like GP, Kidd or Rondo in the triangle lol but not great[/QUOTE]
Maybe I'm the one that doesn't know what the triangle is, but the Bulls in the later 90's had a super successful team built around the triangle offense, and none other than Ron Harper was their PG. Not a shooter. Jordan and Pippen were not shooters.
I may not know the specifics of the triangle, but it's not a 100% shooting requirement, that's for sure.
[QUOTE=kshutts1]Maybe I'm the one that doesn't know what the triangle is, but the Bulls in the later 90's had a super successful team built around the triangle offense, and none other than Ron Harper was their PG. Not a shooter. Jordan and Pippen were not shooters.
I may not know the specifics of the triangle, but it's not a 100% shooting requirement, that's for sure.[/QUOTE]
I never said anything about shooting. I was talking about ball dominance. I mean I said stock wasn't Ideal either but he was obviously a great shooter so idk where it came off like I was talking about shooting?
Kidd is his 2nd mavs term and 08 rondo would be good Triangle pgs because they can effect the game off ball but when I say kidd or rondo I mean the ones we generally think off. The ball handlers who create for the entire team.
The triangle is an offense that is designed so share the ball between the players on the perimeter so really u just need a lead guard who can effect the game off ball as well and an off guard who can create in a pinch. So a Price/dumars back court could work as well in the triangle as a harper Jordan and a kobe fish backcourt.
Stock will work better in the triangle then rondo gp or kid because he can at least hit the catch and shoot 3ball when he doesn't have the ball in his hands. I mean the other three can and be good cutters but they don't effect the game that much off the ball (or atleast the versions people think of when you say those names.)
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]So, are we picking who we think are the best teams? Top 6 looks like it, right?[/QUOTE]
Yes
[QUOTE=barkleynash]
To address your Penny concern, I'm banking on the [B]Sophomore[/B] to be pumped about being his idol Magic Johnson's prot
[B]Team Rizko[/B]
I like the bigs up top, Kareem and McAdoo. You can even play them together, with McAdoo up high. Than you have tough enforcers surrounding them in the paint. I like the Durant/Coop combo at the swing spot. Both long and lanky, one a scorer and the other a defender. In the backcourt, you went for some defensive stoppers who could also score, in Sid and JD. And the hold it all together, Chris Paul.
[B]Team Marchesk[/B]
I'm not liking the Parish/Duncan combo. IMO you have the least athletic front line in the draft. But you have a very strong athletic perimeter. So I think that might even out things. Doc, Zeke and Kobe on the wings, that is super deadly. Spot up shooters is Peja and Ray (the seasons you picked them at least) and a nice back up PG in Mo Cheeks.
[B]Team Kshutts[/B]
No, goin from least to one of the most athletic front lines. Russell and KG in the defensive glass is just not fair. Of course, game gets close you might have some trouble dumping it down to them for a bucket. That's where Pettit comes in. McGrady and Baylor, I think you should start Baylor just because it's Elgin Baylor. Unless you're looking for that spark off the bench, but you already got Pettit getting his 25+. I just see Bowen as a liability as a starter at least. Nash will get everyone in their right places and than you have Kirch for offense/defense purposes.
[B]Team Dr. Hee[/B]
Dream, Dirk and Marion is a formidable front line. Though, I'd switch Marion to PF and Dirk to SF. Marion can play the Ralph Sampson role just 6 inches shorter. And with your backcourt, Kidd can run it up with Richmond and Marion. Ray is the most unusual pick in the whole draft. You picked a role player from the 70s. He'd fit well with Hakeem at PF and Dirk at Center. I like the Detlef and Vinnie picks.
[B]Team BarkleyNash[/B]
You have Barkley but no Nash? :biggums:
Shaq and Chuck would definitely work. Would be fun to watch too. PG can be Worthy on the break and Petro can be Scott on the wing. Shane and your version of Reggie seem to be spot up shooter off the bench. Unibrow will be your enegy guy to come in and back up Shaq and Charles. Penny is you do it all off the bench. One thing you are lacking, you have no small guys. If a team wants to go really small, you can't match them.
[B]Team Wally[/B]
I like the three head monster of Pat, Malone and Zo. Very tough down low. James and West is very good. I'm still not too sold on Leonard as a starter with Hondo on your team. Parker is a great back up. Horry will play his role.
[B]Team Boutpractice[/B]
Sabonis is a great pick, but not the year. How do you compare what he did overseas to NBA stats? Unless we go by his rookie stats the very next season for Portland? I would have picked him a couple of seasons earlier before he got hurt. Sampson was very special (like Sabonis) before he got hurt. Bird, Pippen and VC on the perimeter is nice. But Pippen as your starting PG? I like the Gilmore pick. Crawford is instant offense and Iggy for on ball D. But, like Team BarkleyNash, you can't go small. Jamal Crawford is your smallest player.
[B]Team Legends[/B]
Your frontline is very deep. You can't go wrong with any of those four on the floor. Especially Kemp and Robinson. I actually like Billups playing with Jordan, but that guy backing him up would be even better. :lol Payton can play the Pippen role. P-Dub and Bobby Jones is good.
[B]Team Demitri[/B]
I like the Blazer pairing of Walton and Sheed. DO they smoke weed after the games too? A Wade and Stockton backcourt? I can see Sheed running the lanes like Malone, though not as much. I can comment on Curry because it's probably this season or last season? Same player. Will hit an open shot, so don't leave him open. Can't comment on the others. Pacers Artest was different from Lakers Artest. 05 Manu is different from 12 Manu? 06 Diaw is different from 14 Diaw, ect.
[B]My top six, in no order:[/B]
BarkleyNash
Legends
Marchesk
Rizko
Kshutts
Wally
[QUOTE=Rizko]I never said anything about shooting. I was talking about ball dominance. I mean I said stock wasn't Ideal either but he was obviously a great shooter so idk where it came off like I was talking about shooting?
Kidd is his 2nd mavs term and 08 rondo would be good Triangle pgs because they can effect the game off ball but when I say kidd or rondo I mean the ones we generally think off. The ball handlers who create for the entire team.
The triangle is an offense that is designed so share the ball between the players on the perimeter so really u just need a lead guard who can effect the game off ball as well and an off guard who can create in a pinch. So a Price/dumars back court could work as well in the triangle as a harper Jordan and a kobe fish backcourt.
Stock will work better in the triangle then rondo gp or kid because he can at least hit the catch and shoot 3ball when he doesn't have the ball in his hands. I mean the other three can and be good cutters but they don't effect the game that much off the ball (or atleast the versions people think of when you say those names.)[/QUOTE]
You're right, I must have misunderstood you. My bad.
My top 6, excluding myself, in no order:
Kizzle
Nash
Rizko
Wally
Dr.Hee
Marchesk
I edited to take out Demitri and put in Marchesk
Of those 6, I think BarkleyNash is the worst, no offense. Just don't have enough size to contend with most teams on D. Granted, your team is built around offense, and it will be nasty, but I'm just not sure there will be enough D. You seem to have built a Miami Heat roster, plus Shaq. And obviously that team won championships, it will be very interested to see how that team dynamic works against actual pivot players.
[QUOTE=kshutts1]Of those 6, I think BarkleyNash is the worst, no offense. Just don't have enough size to contend with most teams on D. Granted, your team is built around offense, and it will be nasty, but I'm just not sure there will be enough D. You seem to have built a Miami Heat roster, plus Shaq. And obviously that team won championships, it will be very interested to see how that team dynamic works against actual pivot players.[/QUOTE]
It was down to this team and Dr. Hee. But you just can't overlook Shaq, Barkley and Magic. Plus, you can put Magic at PF/SF, he is 6'9.
I know I don't choose the matchups, but...
BarkleyNash v Marchesk (matchup chosen because both teams lack size relative to others):
I think this is one of the few matchups where Doc is rendered... not useless, but I'd rather play Peja. Doc excels in the open court, and BN is the superior rebounding team, thus limiting open court looks for Marchesk.
Input Peja instead of Doc, have Doc run the second unit (now that I say that I think this should be your full time plan), and BN has no hope of stopping Kobe, Isiah or Peja.
Shaq and Duncan will be a wash, but Marchesk wins on the perimeter.
Kizzle v Rizko (highest concentration of older players):
I'm not sure who guards Durant here, and guards him well. Similarly, who guards Barry? Will be a pretty epic matchup between those two.
Can Chris Paul slow down and/or contain Frazier and KJ? I'm not worried about Paul winning the game by scoring, but he will need to defend really good players.
Two really well built teams going at it. Hard to choose a winner. Did you two actually build teams to stop the other? Just so even.
I'm saying Kizzle only because I've maintained, from day 1, that he had the most talented roster. If any coach can pull it off it's Daly.
Wally v Dr.Hee (last two standing):
Let's just get this out of the way... Dream will terrorize Wally, while Lebron will be somewhat negated by Marion guarding him.
Aside from the respective first overall picks, Wally's team is superior. I told Dr.Hee before that I questioned his perimeter shot creation, and (I didn't plan this) Wally's team is really built to show that weakness. Lebron, Leonard, West, Hondo? Are you kidding me with that perimeter D? The burden will fall to Dirk and Hakeem to create offense for everyone else, and it can work.. that coach in particular has made it work... but I just don't see it happening consistently.
If anyone else has an input on these matchups, or arguments, or just different matchups, I'd love to hear it. Now that our toys are done, I want to play with them!
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]It was down to this team and Dr. Hee. But you just can't overlook Shaq, Barkley and Magic. Plus, you can put Magic at PF/SF, he is 6'9.[/QUOTE]
You can, and against MY team it would likely work. I'd probably get destroyed by that particular roster.
But against most teams, with Chuck, Magic, and Davis being the biggest players after Shaq.. that just doesn't stack up well against anyone outside my team and Marchesk.
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]
[B]Team Kshutts[/B]
No, goin from least to one of the most athletic front lines. Russell and KG in the defensive glass is just not fair. Of course, game gets close you might have some trouble dumping it down to them for a bucket. That's where Pettit comes in. McGrady and Baylor, I think you should start Baylor just because it's Elgin Baylor. Unless you're looking for that spark off the bench, but you already got Pettit getting his 25+. I just see Bowen as a liability as a starter at least. Nash will get everyone in their right places and than you have Kirch for offense/defense purposes.[/QUOTE]
Just saw this. Bowen starting because of defense. I already have enough offense in the starting lineup.
Baylor not starting over TMac because TMac's offensive game is, in my opinion, a better fit for my team than Baylor's. I prefer the shooting that TMac brings, particularly from 3.
Baylor and Pettit will come off the bench as "change of pace/style" go-to scorers, with total green lights.
And if the game gets close, and I need a bucket, I'm likely running with Nash, TMac, Baylor, Pettit, KG. Hopefully I can do O/D substitutions, though, because KG is the only great defender of the group.
I'd be happy to do breakdowns if the matchups are determined.
:cheers: