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damn lol. crazy to think how often this shit happens yet never goes called.
I'd reccomend this to anyone saying dumbass shit like "how can you not enjoy LeBron's game?" in that one thread. The guy gets away with so many travels and off arm fouls, it's absurd. You'd think that this shit would never fly with the "best in the business" officiating the sport.
[QUOTE=3ball]shows how little you understand about basketball that you think westbrook's skills are as good as elgin's.
even without being allowed to dribble like today's players, elgin was better and more skilled.[/QUOTE]
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Lebron only took 2 steps and did not use gather provision. That extra step your counting is the gather step.
Otherwise it would mean Nash took 4 steps without the gather provision since his right foot would have been the gather step when he dribbles behind his back.
Lebron doesn't travel in that clip
It's not impossible to cover a lot of ground if you have ridiculously long strides. It's all in the mechanics of the player. A lot of players these days don't have the long strides and take what I call bunny steps to gather momentum.
One dribble from beyond the 3 point line, two long strides and dunk on Zo.
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One dribble from beyond the 3 point line, two long strides and dunk on Zo.
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One dribble beyond the 3 point line, two long strides and finish with the layup
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[QUOTE=iznogood]
And it doesn't even matter who invented that dunk. Why are you even bringing Jordan into this discussion?
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i bring up jordan into the discussion, just for the heck of it - it's never wrong to bring the GOAT into any basketball discussion... but i also brought him up specifically because you posted that westbrook dunk like you were so proud, when Jordan did it so much better... the lean-in dunk is maybe THE most popular, coolest-looking dunk today - but jordan invented it, and 35 years later, still no one does it better than he did.
btw, it is a FACT that Jordan dunked 3 times as often as Westbrook - Westbrook dunks 50 times per season - so not even once per game... Jordan used to dunk 150 times per season - we have his data from the old philly 76er's media guides... [url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=352399[/url]
[quote=iznogood]
You are grasping straws here, my friend. I just proved you Westbrook needed same amount of steps to pull of much crazier dunks, yet you claimed his dunks when he took the same amount of steps would look much more like Elgin's, which is as far from the truth as it could be.
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the lean-in dunk going left is a move that doesn't require extra steps, but the culture of dribble restrictions hampered ALL dribbling creativity.
the way the game was officiated and played at the time did not allow players to show the full capability of their athleticism.
so it's not surprising that they didn't do the lean-in dunk back then - Dr. J and David Thompson didn't even do it, although they obviously had the capability to do it if someone would have shown them the move - but again, dribbling creativity was hampered back then by the restrictive rules.
[quote=iznogood]
elgin was basically the size of Andre Iguodala, yet his dunks don't look nothing like Andre's. He doesn't even get the explosiveness Lebron, Jeff Green or some other athletic forwards, who are even bigger than him.
[/quote]ur mind is kind of a civ on this issue - one of lebron's most common moves is the one-dribble, 3-step move going one direction, posted earlier itt - lebron attempts this move a dozen times per game, literally.
this move is THE move used by all players driving to the rim in today's game - it's used literally a hundred times per game - but this move WAS NOT ALLOWED IN ELGIN'S ERA.
this hampered explosiveness of players back then - it's been explained, but you keep ignoring this truth and repeating the shallow, ignorant line "players today are more explosive", even though i've shown that the most common move in today's game, was not allowed in elgin's era.
[quote=iznogood]
And if you're claiming the dribbling rules are holding him back, then show me some clips of him finishing on the alley oop. No dribbling needed here, agreed?
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similar to Dr. J and David Thompson having the capacity to do the lean-in dunk, the capacity was there for guys like Elgin to do alley-opps back then too, but the way the game was officiated and played at the time did not allow players to show the full capability of their athleticism.
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Yeah this is all just hypothetical based on OP's opinion. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=3ball]...[/QUOTE]You're the most pathetic poster I've seen on this board. Excuse after excuse, talking about "facts" when you really are talking about your opinions, changing the subject of the debate...I'm done with you. It's been nothing but frustration.
[QUOTE=iznogood]You're the most pathetic poster I've seen on this board. Excuse after excuse, talking about "facts" when you really are talking about your opinions, changing the subject of the debate...I'm done with you. It's been nothing but frustration.[/QUOTE]
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[B]here's a fact[/B]: the moves above - one dribble, 3 steps - is the most common move in today's game, but it was not allowed in the 60's - that is a fact.
and the restrictive rules in the 60's created an environment that hampered the creativity of [I]all[/I] moves off-the-dribble, which restricted how explosive players could be.
[B]oh, here's another fact[/B]: [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=352399][u]Jordan dunked 3 times as often as Westbrook[/u][/url].
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I wasn't old enough to watch the 60's, but I'm assuming what 3 steps means is the current gather step + layup. Can anyone clarify when this gather step started gaining popularity/become allowed? Or rather, who started it?
[QUOTE=Kvnzhangyay]I wasn't old enough to watch the 60's, but I'm assuming what 3 steps means is the current gather step + layup. Can anyone clarify when this gather step started gaining popularity/become allowed? Or rather, who started it?[/QUOTE]
They changed the travelling rule in 2009 to allow 2 steps when gathering.
[url]http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/7097/the-two-step[/url]
[url]http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4563546[/url]
[QUOTE=Kvnzhangyay]I wasn't old enough to watch the 60's, but I'm assuming what 3 steps means is the current gather step + layup. Can anyone clarify when this gather step started gaining popularity/become allowed? Or rather, who started it?[/QUOTE]
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the 3 steps-one-dribble move has been the most commonly-used move in NBA games since the 80's, possibly the 70's.
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[QUOTE=3ball][IMG]http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/55917c2186fc8b7461919f413284068c.gif[/IMG]
the 3 steps-one-dribble move has been the most commonly-used move in NBA games since the 80's, possibly the 70's.
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Exactly, they just codified and gave definition to it in 2009 but players have been doing it way before then.
Problem is you say players weren't allowed to do this in the 60's, only problem is we have to trust people's word for it, I need to see footage of players executing this move and getting called for it.
Even if we accept that it this move was expressly forbidden SURELY there were folks who broke the rule either trying to skirt the rules or by just mistakenly screwing up their footwork. Surely such footage exists.
Just like you say all the time about how defensive 3 is STRICTLY enforced, yet I would have no trouble amassing a dozen gifs of guys camped out in the paint for 4+ secs (Andrew Bynum was notorious for this)
Otherwise, I will just assume it was a lack of innovation why the move wasn't being done, similar to how no one back then was using the pendulum style dribbling that is routine today or doing a bunch of alley-oops.
I await the gifs/vids.
Any footage of INTENTIONAL lob dunks (alley oops) from the 60's BTW?
OP is such a pseudointellectual. He is also a phony. Former D1 basketball player my ass lmao won't even give a name
wait a minute... you want me to go find GIF's of travel and carry calls from the 60's?... do you have any idea how littel footage we have from then?