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[QUOTE=ImKobe]Why not just admit your bias? Are you trying to deny that you're not biased towards the players from that era?[/QUOTE]
I have posted this before, but here it is again...
MY all-time list...
1. Wilt
2. MJ
3. Magic
4. KAJ
5. Russell
6. Shaq
7. Duncan
8. Kobe
9. Lebron
10. Bird
11. Moses
12. Hakeem
13. Dr. J
14. Oscar
15. West
Some of those are very close and interchangeable.
Does that look like a bias towards the 60's?
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]Coming from you this means nothing to me. You are a worthless POS poster who provides nothing to this forum.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, what's a POS? I don't speak your whatever language it is you are babbling in.
Every time 90% of ISHs sees one of your dumbass threads they roll their eyes, trust me on that. It's funny because you take yourself so seriously and yet no one takes you seriously.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXhFq7QRC0I[/url]
[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/olympics/games/1988-09-28-USA-URS[/url]
if you choose to never press the first link then you might share the opinion of Lazarus here.
But that's called being ignorant by choice
[QUOTE=SpanishACB][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXhFq7QRC0I[/url]
[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/olympics/games/1988-09-28-USA-URS[/url]
if you choose to never press the first link then you might share the opinion of Lazarus here.
But that's called being ignorant by choice[/QUOTE]
I posted the full game here earlier...
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10778831&postcount=18[/url]
And there is absolutely no way that Sabonis outplayed Robinson in that game. Nor is that anywhere near a prime D-Rob either.
Maybe that wasn't a prime Sabonis, but YOU have NOT given me any footage of a Sabonis dominating a top-tier NBA center, either.
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]but YOU have NOT given me any footage of a Sabonis dominating a top-tier NBA center, either.[/QUOTE]
give me footage of Wilt scoring 100 points
or wait, better! give me footage of Wilt dominating European competition! give me footage of Wilt dominating Joel Pryzbilla... there's none? Joel must've been better than Wilt then.
You're really something aren't you?
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]I have posted this before, but here it is again...
MY all-time list...
1. Wilt
2. MJ
3. Magic
4. KAJ
5. Russell
6. Shaq
7. Duncan
8. Kobe
9. Lebron
10. Bird
11. Moses
12. Hakeem
13. Dr. J
14. Oscar
15. West
Some of those are very close and interchangeable.
Does that look like a bias towards the 60's?[/QUOTE]
My bad, it's just an obscene bias towards your man-God Wilt. All the other elevating of 60s players you do is a consequence of incessant need to elevate a guy who scraped two rings and threw away several more in his choking ways. Hack-a-Wilt in the NBA finals would be pretty much a guaranteed chip. You always go on about Thurmond's awesome defense, but the best defense against Wilt in the finals was the FT line. Yet this guy is the greatest basketball player ever? :lol It's so pathetic dude.
Probably one of his illegitimate kids, aren't you?
Just now realised it's Lazeruss who started the thread :roll:
[QUOTE=SpanishACB]give me footage of Wilt scoring 100 points
or wait, better! give me footage of Wilt dominating European competition!
You're really something aren't you?[/QUOTE]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCWrGWuU2Ak[/url]
There are clips of Russell, Thurmond, and Kareem, in there. as well as many other great players.
If you want an extended version...
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOBX9ikNzEk[/url]
If you want FACTS...
[url]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I9jddU8eNWrI8MMOPs_0l58WnjFNADvF4iIcu0Sfz7A/edit?pli=1#gid=0[/url]
And more...
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=332617[/url]
and even more...
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_career_achievements_by_Wilt_Chamberlain[/url]
As for his "European competition", you are right, we don't have any footage. BUT, we do have this...
[url]http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1338&dat=19740417&id=WJBYAAAAIBAJ&sjid=XvgDAAAAIBAJ&pg=7004,945936[/url]
and here was the quote:
[QUOTE]"No letting up." Red told them. "Beat them as badly as you can." Then, turning to Russell, he pointed Radivoje Korac - star of the Yugoslav team, and Europe's leading scorer at the time. "He scores once and I'll have your head. I mean it, once."
When the game began, the Yugoslavs went straight to Korac as soon as they got the ball. He made a spin move on Russell, turned, and Russell blocked the shot, starting a fast break the other way. Five times, the Yugoslavs got the ball, five times, Russell blocked a shot. The sixth time down, Korac caught the ball thirty feet from the basket and, with Russell racing at him, heaved a shot that hit the side of the backboard and bounced away as the crowd hooted. The Americans are now up by twenty.
"Russell," Red screamed, "I'm gonna kill you! You let the guy hit the backboard!"
The next time Korac caught the ball, he tried to go up-and-under Russell, who slammed the ball back at him so hard it hit him in the head and bounced away. Completely exasperated, Korac grabbed the ball, kicked it into the stands, and was promptly ejected[/QUOTE]
If Russell was wiping the floor with the best of that era, imagine the carnage that Chamberlain would have left there...
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS][url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCWrGWuU2Ak[/url]
There are clips of Russell, Thurmond, and Kareem, in there. as well as many other great players.
If you want an extended version...
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOBX9ikNzEk[/url]
If you want FACTS...
[url]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I9jddU8eNWrI8MMOPs_0l58WnjFNADvF4iIcu0Sfz7A/edit?pli=1#gid=0[/url]
And more...
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=332617[/url]
and even more...
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_career_achievements_by_Wilt_Chamberlain[/url]
As for his "European competition", you are right, we don't have any footage. BUT, we do have this...
[url]http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1338&dat=19740417&id=WJBYAAAAIBAJ&sjid=XvgDAAAAIBAJ&pg=7004,945936[/url]
and here was the quote:
If Russell was wiping the floor with the best of that era, imagine the carnage that Chamberlain would have left there...[/QUOTE]
You take a couple of youtube highlights (that make ANYONE look good), take after the game quotes, that only prove the opinion of one man and go on making absolutist analysis. It's so silly.
Go back read my post, did I mention anything about Wilt vs Russell?
You're starting to sound like the Euroleague account gimmick, you reply with the same shit over and over and don't pay attention to what people are actually saying...
I made a point, between the lines, but that's not clear enough for that spoon feeding habit of yours so here it goes: one can only beat those he's put against.
Simple enough, unless you're some sort of meta idiot who struggles with engaging in a two way conversation.
You don't build arguments from someone's quote after a game. You can't judge careers off 5 minutes of youtube clips. And no one gives a **** at the end of the day. But if you're gonna quote someone, make a worthwhile repoly, not the same broken record bullshit we've come to expect from you.
You sound like some ****ing nerd theoryzing about Goku vs Superman based on quotes from the comics and analyzing how wide the kamekamehaa is on TV and then comparing it to Superman's laser beam. It's the perfect analogy for your stupid "look at this picture, Wilt was clearly the strongest center alive" or "read this quote from this guy who said this once and everyone knows when someone says something on TV it becomes a fact"... I don't know how you manage on a daily basis, really.
[QUOTE=LAZERUSS]
If Russell was wiping the floor with the best of that era, imagine the carnage that Chamberlain would have left there...[/QUOTE]
So wait, if the 76ers beat the Timberwolves and the Timberwolves beat the Cavalariers are the 76ers better than Lebron?
This school logic of yours, why don't you take it back to school?
Some players struggle or benefit against certain matchups. If Perkins stops Dwight but Frye scores 20 on Perkins it doesn't mean Frye is better than Dwight. Unless you don't watch games and realize the difference in the matchup. You would must likely run home showing us all this proof about Channing ****ing Frye being the best C in the league. That's the kind of thought process you follow.
[QUOTE=SpanishACB]So wait, if the 76ers beat the Timberwolves and the Timberwolves beat the Cavalariers are the 76ers better than Lebron?
This school logic of yours, why don't you take it back to school?
[B]Some players struggle or benefit against certain matchups. If Perkins stops Dwight but Frye scores 20 on Perkins it doesn't mean Frye is better than Dwight. Unless you don't watch games and realize the difference in the matchup. You would must likely run home showing us all this proof about Channing ****ing Frye being the best C in the league. That's the kind of thought process you follow.[/B][/QUOTE]
haha, that's pretty much the logic he uses in every single argument he makes, and then he whines about others not bringing up 'facts' as if his 'facts' were eternal truths.
[QUOTE=SpanishACB]You take a couple of youtube highlights (that make ANYONE look good), take after the game quotes, that only prove the opinion of one man and go on making absolutist analysis. It's so silly.[/QUOTE]
You're right. Next time he should upload full games saved to his hard drive. :biggums:
[QUOTE=SpanishACB]You don't build arguments from someone's quote after a game.[/QUOTE]
lol doe?
[QUOTE=SpanishACB] i edited it anyway but sure:
[url]http://www.nba.com/playoffs2002/Wher...n__Day_15.html[/url]
Quote: The lineage then continued to Arvydas Sabonis, who was the second greatest young player I ever saw after Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
he follows
Quote: He was 19 years old and played like a 7-3 Larry Bird, running like the wind, shooting threes, dribbling like Magic Johnson, rebounding like Wilt Chamberlain and blocking shots like Bill Russell.
regardless of the hyperbole, sabonis was 30/20 at the half in a european championship game against grown profesionals...
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[QUOTE=SpanishACB]You can't judge careers off 5 minutes of youtube clips.[/QUOTE]
lol doe?
[QUOTE=SpanishACB][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXhFq7QRC0I[/url]
[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/olympics/games/1988-09-28-USA-URS[/url]
if you choose to never press the first link then you might share the opinion of Lazarus here.
But that's called being ignorant by choice[/QUOTE]
You say we can't take clips or quotes, which you ended up doing anyway, to judge a player's career. Modern era players, understandable. Old school players, pretty much inevitable. So tell me, what makes you think Sabonis is a better player than Walton.
Remember, no YouTube clips or quotes are allowed. Enlighten us, oh wise one.
[QUOTE=YouGotServed]:rant :rant :rant :rant :rant [/QUOTE]
I posted a FULL game not a highlight video that only shows the good plays of a player, do you understand the difference?
i never said Sabonis was better, just added a quote about one talking about the other, I thought it was relevant for the thread. Apparently, not as relevant as Wilt vs Russell for some reason.
before getting all defensive and turning on bullshit mode I suggest you actually read posts, which I trust you can, and then, here comes the hard part, try to put sense to words and understand what's written, in that order.
[QUOTE=SpanishACB]that's a full game not a highlight video, do you understand the difference?
i never said Sabonis was better, just added a quote about one talking about the other, I thought it was relevant for the thread. Apparently, not as relevant as Wilt vs Russell for some reason.[/QUOTE]
No, I don't understand the difference. Please help me understand. You mean to tell me that's a full game!? I'm convinced. Let's ignore the other thousands of games these guys must have played.
I'm not agreeing nor disagreeing with Lazerus. Just pointing out the double standards in your argument. He has a point. None of us watched them live, so we go by what we know.
The f*ck else have you done besides post a video and one quote then go on about how we can't use it to judge a player's entire career? :oldlol:
[QUOTE=YouGotServed]No, I don't understand the difference. Please help me understand. You mean to tell me that's a full game!? I'm convinced. Let's ignore the other thousands of games these guys must have played.
I'm not agreeing nor disagreeing with Lazerus. Just pointing out the double standards in your argument. He has a point. None of us watched them live, so we go by what we know.
The f*ck else have you done besides post a video and one quote then go on about how we can't use it to judge a player's entire career? :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
surely a person that couldn't cope with the first 3 pages of Dante's Inferno shouldn't be trying to play devil's advocate?
you don't understand how a higlight video is flawed in comparison to a full game specially when trying to judge how good a player could perform (very different from HOW HE USUALLY PERFORMS).
wanna defend an idiot? be my guest, but don't make simplistic comparisons just because you struggle with definitions. Of course we can only go by what we know, that's why our resident forum idiot should stop making imaginary arguments about how because A beat B and C beat A, C is better than B or when he goes into deep reflexion mode and tells us all about the difference in skill by judging 5 minutes of partial clips, highlights and a black and white photo; I didn't do any of this. I just tried to expose his weak agenda and argumentation.
What are you? his little brother or his alt account?