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[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]No he isn't not even close. He was a better player than both Derrick Rose and Allen Iverson were...rather easily.[/QUOTE]
I'll give you D. Rose, and AI is arguable... that still means he's top 3 worst MVP's of all time... and he won TWICE.
[QUOTE=bdreason]I'll give you D. Rose, and AI is arguable... that still means he's top 3 worst MVP's of all time... and he won TWICE.[/QUOTE]
He's better than Bob Cousy too. :lol
[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]He's better than Bob Cousy too. :lol[/QUOTE]
Cousy was a 13x All-Star, 12x All-NBA, 8x League assist leader, and won 6 NBA championships.
I didn't watch him play, but it's pretty obvious he was a more dominant player than Nash in his time.
[QUOTE=bdreason]Cousy was a 13x All-Star, 12x All-NBA, 8x League assist leader, and won 6 NBA championships.
I didn't watch him play, but it's pretty obvious he was a more dominant player than Nash in his time.[/QUOTE]
weak era. Trust me Nash is way better.
its funny how everywhere marbury went the team sucked balls.. and then when kidd and nash replaced him the teams just took off.
[QUOTE=Hey Yo]Because there's players in the league who could avg. 35ppg if they took 27 FGA per game.[/QUOTE]
People who say this just show they have no concept about how basketball works. Do you know how hard it is to get up 27 shots against NBA defenses?
Shot-creating has become so underrated as a skill.
Shaq > Nash in 05. Shaq's impact is unparalleled.
[QUOTE=bdreason]He's arguably the worst player in the history of the sport to win the award... and he won it TWICE. That doesn't mean he didn't deserve it, but that's why people complain.[/QUOTE]
Rose and Iverson in recent memory, plus Harden/Curry if one of them wins this year. Add Unseld and Cowens to the list if we go back a bit.
Makes him top 5 worst, which is fine with me. What irritates me is when people saying Kobe of all people should've won, or when people act like it was because of race (or some other dumb reason). I've heard it all.
Agree completely. Nash is easily a top 10 offensive player of all time, and he played a position for which defense matters very little.
[QUOTE=Fire Colangelo]Rose and Iverson in recent memory, plus Harden/Curry if one of them wins this year. Add Unseld and Cowens to the list if we go back a bit.
Makes him top 5 worst, which is fine with me. What irritates me is when people saying Kobe of all people should've won, or when people act like it was because of race (or some other dumb reason). I've heard it all.[/QUOTE]
Agreed.. he had great teams.. but can you imagine amare and joe johnson doing anything together besides rotating isos? Nash was the motor who facilitated the machine.. even kobe or Lebron or wade couldn't glue that team together like nash did. They could probably carry shit teams farther than nash could but in those years he was just the perfect fit in the perfect situation
[QUOTE=Fire Colangelo]Rose and Iverson in recent memory, plus Harden/Curry if one of them wins this year. Add Unseld and Cowens to the list if we go back a bit.
Makes him top 5 worst, which is fine with me. What irritates me is when people saying Kobe of all people should've won, or when people act like it was because of race (or some other dumb reason). I've heard it all.[/QUOTE]
You're an idiot. Weakness in MVP is related to the players in the NBA and League. When Harden or Curry wins they will have deserved it IN THIS LEAGUE THIS SEASON. How that pertains to other players of other seasons isn't all that important. It's not like either will have won it over more deserving players like Rose and Iverson did.
[QUOTE=Smoke117]You're an idiot. Weakness in MVP is related to the players in the NBA and League. When Harden or Curry wins they will have deserved it IN THIS LEAGUE THIS SEASON. How that pertains to other players of other seasons isn't all that important. It's not like either will have won it over more deserving players like Rose and Iverson did.[/QUOTE]
Idk why you're so angry all the time.
I was simply responding to a post that said "Nash is the worst player in NBA history to win MVP". Worst player in history... that means compared to the rest of the MVP winners, Nash is ranked last. Nothing was said about the strength of his MVPs.... nothing.
To respond to your post, I'd agree with you. If Curry wins MVP this year, he'd deserve it, just like Nash did in 05, and to some extent 06. But Nash would be the better player than Curry.
You can argue for more than one person each year, obviously, but at the end of the day Nash was definitely one of the worthy candidates both times.
[QUOTE=bdreason]People hate on AI's MVP all the time. And the only reason he really won it, was because the 76ers won the Eastern Conference that year by like 6-8 games.
I don't remember if Nash had the #1 seed for either of his MVP's, but I don't think so.[/QUOTE]
I believe they were the #1 seed in 04-5 (won like 63 games).
[QUOTE=Ca$H]2006 Kobe was the closet thing you will ever see to prime MJ.[/QUOTE]
true dat.