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In league history, only 11 guys have ever managed 11 apg. Jason Kidd never did it, nor did Cousy, nor Walt Frazier, nor Pete Maravich. Doing it more than one season puts you in company with Oscar, Magic, Stockton, Nash, Chris Paul and Rondo. It's pretty silly to assume that anyone playing out of position would have been able to do it. So no, Pippin couldn't have done it, and neither could Jordan.
[QUOTE=Duffy Pratt]In league history, only 11 guys have ever managed 11 apg. Jason Kidd never did it, nor did Cousy, nor Walt Frazier, nor Pete Maravich. Doing it more than one season puts you in company with Oscar, Magic, Stockton, Nash, Chris Paul and Rondo. It's pretty silly to assume that anyone playing out of position would have been able to do it. So no, Pippin couldn't have done it, and neither could Jordan.[/QUOTE]
Good post :applause:
[SIZE="4"][B][I]pippen did play pg
he was the pg for chicago
he brought the ball up
he led the bulls in assists every year
wtf is OP smoking[/I][/B][/SIZE]
[QUOTE=sdot_thadon]I see where you're coming from but I don't agree that it makes it overrated. I'd add the overrated aspect of it is its not detailed enough. Needs hockey assists, maybe possible assists where guys blow the opportunity. All assists definitely aren't equal, you have some guys actively looking to setup teammates and run the offense. Then you have guys who are actively looking to shoot and improvise into assists as a last resort.
It's true though that dominant pg struggle in the postseason, probably just because the book has been out on it for decades now. Turn them into a scorer while not giving many passing lanes. Works like a charm. The worst thing is most teams with dominant playmakers lack the talent to compete without being spoonfed.[/QUOTE]
High individual assist numbers are usually not conducive to championship basketball. How does that not make it overrated? Completely different from high individual scoring numbers since about half the championships included someone scoring 25+.
[QUOTE=guy]High individual assist numbers are usually not conducive to championship basketball. How does that not make it overrated? Completely different from high individual scoring numbers since about half the championships included someone scoring 25+.[/QUOTE]Why isn't it conducive to championship basketball? Just because it hasn't happened often?
People used to say the same thing about scoring champions winning titles until Jordan did it. In fact, besides Jordan and Shaq in 2000 I can't think of someone in recent history who led a championship team while being #1 in scoring.
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Repeating yourself like some drooling retard isn't an argument.
I mean, there's limited footage of Oscar, yet you're convinced he's a better passer. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
He averaged a near triple double for like 6 seasons... in an era where it was harder to record an assist.
You have Wade, Ginobili and Jordan... all of who I watched. Ginobili is the best passer of the lot, then Wade, then Jordan. It is pretty clear as well.
[QUOTE=Young X]Why isn't it conducive to championship basketball? Just because it hasn't happened often?
People used to say the same thing about scoring champions winning titles until Jordan did it. In fact, besides Jordan and Shaq in 2000 I can't think of someone in recent history who led a championship team while being #1 in scoring.[/QUOTE]
The teams that are usually the best passing teams don't seem to be the ones that are led by a high assist PG. CP3 and Nash teams are exceptions and they dont end up as the best team anyway.
They were wrong to say that about Jordan and I wasn't just limiting it to scoring champions. There was Kareem, Barry, and Bird before Jordan and Hakeem, Shaq, Kobe, Wade, Lebron after him. There's been plenty of championships led by high scorers especially since Jordan.
[QUOTE=plowking]He averaged a near triple double for like 6 seasons... in an era where it was harder to record an assist.
You have Wade, Ginobili and Jordan... all of who I watched. Ginobili is the best passer of the lot, then Wade, then Jordan. It is pretty clear as well.[/QUOTE]
Averaging the most assists doesn't make you the better passer. Most of that stuff is dependent on role anyway (Oscar played PG many seasons, by the way).
I'll agree with Gino being the best passer of the bunch, but Wade isn't better than Jordan. Not visibly. Not statistically (when both got to play point). Not anything. Every 'nice pass' Wade has had, Jordan did it better. Just watch the video I linked.
MJ is setting the dinner table AND some with those dimes.
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Averaging the most assists doesn't make you the better passer. Most of that stuff is dependent on role anyway (Oscar played PG many seasons, by the way).
I'll agree with Gino being the best passer of the bunch, but Wade isn't better than Jordan. Not visibly. Not statistically (when both got to play point). Not anything. Every 'nice pass' Wade has had, Jordan did it better. Just watch the video I linked.
MJ is setting the dinner table AND some with those dimes.[/QUOTE]
I don't have to. Wade capability wise, aesthetically, and statistically is the better passer.
I'd garner to say that even Kobe has an edge on Jordan.
[QUOTE=plowking]I don't have to. Wade capability wise, aesthetically, and statistically is the better passer.
I'd garner to say that even Kobe has an edge on Jordan.[/QUOTE]
Not even remotely close. At least to anybody that watched both of them play.
Ditto for Kobe.
Post some of Wade's best passes and I'll gladly counter them with Jordan's :confusedshrug:
This kind of thread is why Im' basically leaving ISH for realgm. I actually want ot talk about basketball...not just humor and "argue" with idiots.
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Not even remotely close. At least to anybody that watched both of them play.
Ditto for Kobe.
Post some of Wade's best passes and I'll gladly counter them with Jordan's :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
I don't need to. You can see Wade throwing inch perfect passes to Bron from 80-90 feet away. Probably one of the best oop passers of all time along with Kidd and Miller. At their peaks Wade was consistently getting more assists, and even when both were on the downward trend of their careers, once again Wade averaged more assists.
[QUOTE=plowking]I don't need to. You can see Wade throwing inch perfect passes to Bron from 80-90 feet away. Probably one of the best oop passers of all time along with Kidd and Miller. At their peaks Wade was consistently getting more assists, and even when both were on the downward trend of their careers, once again Wade averaged more assists.[/QUOTE]
Instead of hearing you ramble, and repeat the same thing, it would be great to see some actual video evidence for what you claim.
Don't stunt, and post the gifs :whatever:
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Instead of hearing you ramble, and repeat the same thing, it would be great to see some actual video evidence for what you claim.
Don't stunt, and post the gifs :whatever:[/QUOTE]
I would, but you're an idiot, so I won't.
I don't feel the need to prove anything to you, considering you've proven yourself on here to be an idiot. You're known as the guy who doesn't know what a double team is on here. :oldlol:
What will happen if I post the gifs/videos? You'll say, "nah, not close", and we'll both continue on our way. Me being right, and you being ignorant and stupid as always. :whatever:
[QUOTE=plowking]I would, but you're an idiot, so I won't.
I don't feel the need to prove anything to you, considering you've proven yourself on here to be an idiot. You're known as the guy who doesn't know what a double team is on here. :oldlol:
What will happen if I post the gifs/videos? You'll say, "nah, not close", and we'll both continue on our way. Me being right, and you being ignorant and stupid as always. :whatever:[/QUOTE]
Am I? That's news to me. :confusedshrug:
Quit being a pansy and just post the gifs. Not like you have anything better to do with your time; look at that post count. :eek: