Predict 2013 Lebron stats in 1993 NBA

[QUOTE=Indian guy]

We have 5 years of solid proof that ball-dominant guards have no issue excelling alongside LeBron.

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[B][COLOR="Blue"]You're factually incorrect - Lebron reduces the PPG and APG of teammates - here's APG:[/COLOR][/B]


[COLOR="Green"]Wade apg and assist % before Lebron (04'-10'): [url=http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2004-2010-sum:per_game]6.6[/url], [url=http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2004-2010-sum:advanced]34.8%[/url] [/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Wade apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] Lebron (11'-14'): [url=http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2011-2014-sum:per_game]4.7[/url], [url=http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2011-2014-sum:advanced]25.5%[/url] [/COLOR]


[COLOR="Green"]Bosh apg and assist % before Lebron (04'-10'): 2.2, 10.5%[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Bosh apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] Lebron (11'-14'): [url=http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2011-2014-sum:per_game]1.6[/url], [COLOR="White"].[/COLOR][url=http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2011-2014-sum:advanced]8.0%[/url] [/COLOR]


[COLOR="Green"]Irving apg and assist % before Lebron (12'-14'): [url=http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2012-2014-sum:per_game]5.8[/url], [url=http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2012-2014-sum:advanced]33.2[/url][/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Irving apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] Lebron (2015):[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] 5.2, 25.0%[/COLOR]


[COLOR="Green"]Kevin Love apg and assist % in MIN: 2.5, 13.0%[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Kevin Love apg and assist % in CLE:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 2.2, 10.7%[/COLOR]


[COLOR="Green"]Mo Williams apg and assist % before Lebron: 6.3, 30.0%[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Mo Williams apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] Lebron: 4.1, 20.1%[/COLOR]


[I]Source: basketball-reference.com[/I]


As you can see, Lebron's presence significantly reduces the APG and assist % of teammates, [I]while their assisted rate increases[/I] - this proves Lebron turns teammates from playmakers into play-finishers, thus preventing the kind of equal-opportunity offenses that the Mavs, Spurs, Warriors, and [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=23m40s]90's Bulls used[/url], where all 5 guys share the playmaking duties - since Lebron prevents the best brand of basketball, various equal or less-talented teams have pulled upsets by playing a [I]better[/I] brand of basketball (2009, 2011, 2014).

[I][COLOR="Navy"]Ultimately, Lebron's stats lack integrity because he accumulates them at the expense of teammates[/COLOR][/I].. His stat accumulation is also helped by employing a stat-friendly, easily-solvable, playground style, rather than trying to win.. His stat-friendly style is far less impressive than the superior, nuanced skill that MJ needed to achieve stats within an equal-opportunity offense that could actually win.

copy.paste.repost.3ball

pathetic :facepalm

[QUOTE=3ball]True[/QUOTE]
Lmao you just agreed with a retard

[QUOTE=scandisk_]copy.paste.repost.3ball

pathetic :facepalm[/QUOTE]
You have to admit - it's remarkable how Lebron craters the APG and sometimes PPG of his teammates..

Anyway, redirecting - here's the real issue about this thread - [SIZE="7"]Lebron can't shoot[/SIZE] from midrange, which he would HAVE to do in the 80's/90's to be a 28-30 ppg scorer.

With less than half the 3-point production that today's game uses to open up the lane, 1993 Lebron would be forced to pull-up for more midrange jumpshots, like all aggressive scorers back then.. The lack of 3-pointers would also reduce the efficiency of screen-roll/drive-and-kick - he simply wouldn't be using screen-roll as much as he does in today's game, and would again be forced to use midrange, as well as post and isolation, all areas he's average to bad in.

Incorrect

2013 Lebron shot .447 from 16+ ft and .406 from 3

[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]Agreed, but that still doesn't make him better than Jordan or Hakeem that year.[/QUOTE]

Crock of shit. :oldlol:

The best Lebron is just as good as best Jordan.

The 5 years stretch of 09-13 Bron is just as good as Jordan's 89-93 stretch.

28/8/7 on 52% shooting vs 32/7/6 on 52% shooting.

Bron with a 30.4 PER during that time and 61% TS...
MJ with a 30.3 PER during that time and a 59% TS...

You acting as if he wouldn't be either the best or second best player in the league. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=GIF REACTION]Incorrect

2013 Lebron shot .447 from 16+ ft and .406 from 3[/QUOTE]
For Lebron's career, he's 38.8% from the 16-23 foot range, which is below average, and he's 35.8% from 10-16 feet, which is far below-average.

In 2013, he actually began a 2-year campaign to inflate his efficiency by only attempting 17 shots per game.. This backfired in the 2014 Finals, when his passivity was run out of the gym.

Btw, 44.7% isn't impressive.. Magic shot 56% from midrange in the 1985 Finals vs. Boston - ask ShaqisGoat or PHILA - one of them has the data.. We know MJ shot 52% from midrange in 1997, per nba.com's stats..

[I]Here's the factual reality - for Lebron to be an elite scorer like 27+ppg in the 80's or 1993, he'd need [B]ELITE[/B] midrange or post game, like ALL the leading scorers back then:[/I]


[U]Leading Scorers in 1986:[/U]

SF Dominique 30.3
SF Dantley 29.8
SF English 29.8
SF Bird 25.8
SF Short 25.5
SF [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0ZCbZq8wWg]Vandeweghe[/url] 24.8


[U]Leading Scorers in 1987:[/U]

SG Michael Jordan 37.1
SF Dominique 29.8
SF Alex English 28.6
SF Larry Bird 28.1
SF Vandeweghe 26.9
PF Kevin McHale 26.1
SF Mark Aguirre 25.7
SG Dale Ellis 24.9


[U]Leading Scorers 1993:[/U]

SG Michael Jordan 32.6
SF Dominique 29.9
PF Karl Malone 27.0
C. Hakeem Olajuwon 26.1
SG Chris Mullin 25.9
PF Charles Barkley 25.6
C. Patrick Ewing 24.2
SG Joe Dumars 23.5
C. Shaquille O'Neal 23.4
C. David Robinson 23.4
PF Danny Manning 22.8
SG Drazen Petrovic 22.3
[B]PF Larry Johnson 22.1[/B]


Larry Johnson is the first guy listed here that didn't have an elite mid-range and/or post game.. :confusedshrug:

Well duh defenses are better today

23 - 25 ppg on about 47 - 49% shooting. His lack of elite isolation game and post game will hurt him. His physical attributes "might" certainly benefit him due to playing in a more physical era, "BUT" based on what he's showing today, it will be tough for him to handle the physicality of that era. LeBron doesn't like it when the game gets physical. He'll just flop his way out of it which doesn't work well in the old school ball. Won't end well for the Queen. Would get body bagged by the thugs of New York Knicks.

[QUOTE=Angel Face]23 - 25 ppg on about 47 - 49% shooting. His lack of elite isolation game and post game will hurt him. His physical attributes "might" certainly benefit him due to playing in a more physical era, "BUT" based on what he's showing today, it will be tough for him to handle the physicality of that era. LeBron doesn't like it when the game gets physical. He'll just flop his way out of it which doesn't work well in the old school ball. Won't end well for the Queen. Would get body bagged by the thugs of New York Knicks.[/QUOTE]
Dumbest post of the week nominee.

[QUOTE=plowking]


The best Lebron is just as good as best Jordan.

[B][COLOR="Red"]The 5 years stretch of 09-13 Bron is just as good as Jordan's 89-93 stretch.
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[B]Playoffs Per 100 Possession:[/B]

[url=http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1989-1993-sum:playoffs_per_poss][I]JORDAN 89'-93'[/I][/url]: 44.2 pts.. 8.6 reb... [I][COLOR="red"]8.8 ast[/COLOR][/I].. 3.0 stl.. 50.3 fg.. 58.1 ts.. 120 ORtg.. 30.0 PER
[url=http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2009-2013-sum:playoffs_per_poss][I]LEBRON 09'-13'[/I][/url]: 36.5 pts. 11.5 reb.. [I][COLOR="red"]8.3 ast[/COLOR][/I].. 2.3 stl.. 49.3 fg.. 58.7 ts.. 118 ORtg.. 29.1 PER


[B]Per Game in Finals:[/B]

[I]JORDAN 91'-93'[/I]: 36.3 ppg.. 6.6 rpg.. 7.9 apg.. 2.0 spg.. 0.76 bpg.. 52.6 fg.. 40.7% 3 pt
[I]LEBRON 11'-14'[/I]: 24.1 ppg.. 8.8 rpg.. 6.4 apg.. 1.8 spg.. 0.55 bpg.. 46.3 fg.. 31.2% 3 pt

Terrible defenses though so Lebron wins

[QUOTE=GIF REACTION]Terrible defenses though so Lebron wins[/QUOTE]
:roll:

Look at the Finals stats - 50% more scoring for MJ and 1.5 more assists, 8% better fg.

[QUOTE=3ball]:roll:

Look at the Finals stats - 50% more scoring for MJ and 1.5 more assists, 8% better fg.[/QUOTE]


No sense arguing with someone that thinks Colin kaepernick is a top 5 qb.

They obviously don't know sports.


Mj > Bron and it's not even close.

[QUOTE=Angel Face]23 - 25 ppg on about 47 - 49% shooting. His lack of elite isolation game and post game will hurt him. His physical attributes "might" certainly benefit him due to playing in a more physical era, "BUT" based on what he's showing today, it will be tough for him to handle the physicality of that era. LeBron doesn't like it when the game gets physical. He'll just flop his way out of it which doesn't work well in the old school ball. Won't end well for the Queen. Would get body bagged by the thugs of New York Knicks.[/QUOTE]

Poast of the week nominee.

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