Re: MJ was more dominant in 97' & 98' runs than Lebron's 12' & 13
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[COLOR="White"]..........[/COLOR][B][COLOR="darkRed"][SIZE="2"][I]PROPORTION (%) OF TEAM PTS SCORED WHILE PLAYER ON FLOOR[/COLOR][/I][/SIZE][/B]
[size="2"][COLOR="White"]........................[/COLOR][B]RS[/B][COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR][B]RS 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] [B]PO[/B][COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR][B]PO 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR][B]Finals[/B][COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] [B]Finals 4th[/B]
[I][B]JORDAN 1997[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]36.0[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4]40.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs]37.7[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]46.3[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]40.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]50.4[/url]
[I][B]JORDAN 1998[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]36.3[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4]42.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs]39.7[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]48.8[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]43.6[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]49.1[/url]
[I]LEBRON 2012[/I].... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]34.2[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4]33.8[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs]34.5[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]34.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]30.0[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]33.3[/url]
[I]LEBRON 2013[/I].... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]32.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4]32.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs]30.6[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]36.0[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]29.3[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]39.1[/url][/SIZE]
[B][COLOR="darkRed"][SIZE="2"][I]PROPORTION OF TEAM PTS + AST WHILE PLAYER ON FLOOR [COLOR="navy"](proportion of TO not subtracted)[/COLOR][/I][/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
[COLOR="White"]........................[/COLOR] [B]PO[/B][COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR][B]PO 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR][B]Finals[/B][COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] [B]Finals 4th[/B]
[I][B]JORDAN 1997[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs]64.0[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]84.5[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]73.6[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]91.1[/url]
[I][B]JORDAN 1998[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs]59.4[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]76.5[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]58.3[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]69.1[/url]
[I][B]LEBRON 2012[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs]69.7[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]63.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]72.5[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]62.7[/url]
[I][B]LEBRON 2013[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs]67.0[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]75.2[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]75.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]75.1[/url]
[B][COLOR="darkRed"][SIZE="2"][I]PROPORTION OF TEAM PTS + AST WHILE PLAYER WAS ON FLOOR [COLOR="navy"]MINUS PROPORTION OF TO'S[/COLOR][/I][/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
[COLOR="White"]........................[/COLOR] [B]PO[/B][COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR][B]PO 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR][B]Finals[/B][COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] [B]Finals 4th[/B]
[I][B]JORDAN 1997[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs]40.8[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]51.2[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]53.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]48.2[/url]
[I][B]JORDAN 1998[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs]38.8[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]52.0[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]41.1[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]52.4[/url]
[I][B]LEBRON 2012[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs]39.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]31.6[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]39.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]34.1[/url]
[I][B]LEBRON 2013[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs]38.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]45.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]51.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]46.5[/url]
[COLOR="Red"][SIZE="3"][B]THREAD CLIFFS[/B]:[/size][/color] [B][COLOR="Navy"]Old MJ won his LAST 2 championships while carrying a bigger load than prime Lebron carried while winning his ONLY 2 championships.[/COLOR][/B]
([I]btw, regarding the stats that subtract turnovers - the math works out correctly - for instance, if a team has 5 assists and 5 TO's in the 4th quarter, and Lebron has 1 assist and 1 TO, then he had 20% of his team's assists and 20% of their TO's, so it's a wash[/I])
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Re: MJ was more dominant in 97' & 98' runs than Lebron's 12' & 13
[B][SIZE="4"]If Lebron had MJs 97', 98' runs, it would be BY FAR the worst playoffs of Lebrons career[/SIZE][/B]
Re: MJ was more dominant in 97' & 98' runs than Lebron's 12' & 13
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[B][SIZE="3"]If Lebron had Jordan's 97' and 98' runs, they would be BY FAR the worst playoffs of Lebrons career[/SIZE][/B]
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Blatantly false - Jordan's 1997 and 1998 playoff PER's would rank 5th and 6th best in Lebron's 10 year playoff career... And Jordan's WS/48 would rank 4th and 5th.
Also, in the 1997 and 1998 Finals, Jordan hit 3 game winners, and also a series-winning assist - that's more clutch winners than Lebron has in his entire playoff career.
Finally, the data above shows that during Lebron's only 2 championship runs, his stats were achieved while carrying a smaller load than Jordan did during his LAST 2 championship runs.. Old man Jordan carried a bigger load while winning his rings than prime Lebron carried while winning his.
