Angela Merkel, doing what Hitler and Wilhelm Couldn't

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]He didn't come prepared with anything more than shouting "y0ur all bigots! y0urr all big0ts!!!"

And it has not gone well for Mr. Jizzo. He's getting absolutely sniped to pieces by superior logic in this thread. It's been an execution by firing squad.

A sad day for a once proud ISH veteran.[/QUOTE]


I like this, a nice measured response, not a fool throwing out attacks and blatant ignorance like their view of the Commonwealth which they pulled from the deep recesses of their ass.

Its like this. Not gonna win an argument with right wingers over the merits of Brexit, I get it, but people need to realize that it is a big problem.

I have buyers in the UK and now that the pound has fallen they take an L (literally) every day, this is an issue. A ten percent drop in the pound on a five percent margin business is a killer.

The jobs that Eastern Europeans do, ain't going back to the Brits, they will dry up, and all the small businesses that hired them, are going to take an L (literally).

Immigration is a problem in Europe, they get a different class of migrant than North Americans do because North Americans get someone with a passport and the means to buy a plane ticket. Europe gets boat people.

Closing the door is not the answer, being smart is, but also fearing the terrorist boogieman is a ploy to rile up the rubes (which is what they did and why I attacked the rubes, Mr Dresta).

I don't truly think that Merkel opened the doors to scare off the Brits, but it is actually playing out very well for Germany as they traditionally took less migrants, and by staying in Europe, getting more control means they have a lot of states by the balls. They can craft favorable legislation going forward and really enhance their position (as Number 6 pointed out).

Treaties are the way forward (hate it or love it), if you aren't in the TPP, NAFTA, ASEAN, EU etc. you are second tier. Sad, but this is the world we live in.

Brexit was a clusterfakk.

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]How do small, homogeneous countries with low immigration like Iceland, Switzerland, Japan, Costa Rica, Finland etc. maintain a high quality of life and income equality without mass floods of immigration and lots of towelheads and big international unions?

If Britain cannot sustain itself without these things, how can they?[/QUOTE]


But answer this one for me please, J2theizzo ^


Why are other first world nations just find with negligible immigration numbers, but Britain somehow can't be?


I've not found a Remainer who has been able to explain this nor even managed an attempt. It seems to be so directly poignant it goes right into the ignore basket for people who wish to remain Remain regardless of the facts.

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]But answer this one for me please, J2theizzo ^


Why are other first world nations just find with negligible immigration numbers, but Britain somehow can't be?


I've not found a Remainer who has been able to explain this nor even managed an attempt. It seems to be so directly poignant it goes right into the ignore basket for people who wish to remain Remain regardless of the facts.[/QUOTE]

You could add Taiwan to that list as well.

There are many ways to skin a cat so to speak.

The reality is countries like the UK, the US, Canada, Australia, NZ etc. need immigration more to fill postions that the country cannot do domestically. Japan and Taiwan with low birthrates will seek help as well. Already their factories are full of workers from Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines who work for much less than local minimum wage under special guest worker visas, so Japan and Taiwan are kind of cheating the list a bit. Guest worker programs really benefit business in those countries.

If they want to begin to treat people better they will need to give them citizenship and will be in the same boat. Recently a domestic worker in Hong Kong from the Philippines won a court case giving her citizenship. That is a big deal.

For the US immigration has been its greatest strength, look at all the US businesses run by Americans who were born elsewhere or their parents were born elsewhere.

the current problem with 'towelheads' as you so eloquantly put is not their movement, it is their home countries and their religion. Islam is f*cked and they often come from a failed state. This is where the PC movement has failed us, we protect race and culture more than we protect freedom and treatment of women, and that is wrong.

A country like the UK needs immigrants, you are selling a false bill of goods to say that if the pollacks leave the British factory workers will be back on the factory floor. Brexiteers were selling a false bill of goods.

The Western countries are service economies, not manufacturing, manufacturing will largely follow this path:

China (now) -> Vietnam/Indonesia (now and growing) -> Africa (where China is investing near trillions).

Being in a service based economy (which is what Western countries are) means you need to have a skill to move forward. As we go deeper into a sharing economy (uber of this, uber of that etc.) people without a marketable skill will fall behind. This is the influence of your right wing, pull yourself up from your bootstraps self-survival. The trouble is the working class who vote right wing are kind of f*cking themselves for the future, and when that happens, VOILA! the rise of the far right and hate groups.

Brexit basically made the UK less competitive in the new economy.

[QUOTE=JtotheIzzo]I like this, a nice measured response, not a fool throwing out attacks and blatant ignorance like their view of the Commonwealth which they pulled from the deep recesses of their ass.

Its like this. Not gonna win an argument with right wingers over the merits of Brexit, I get it, but people need to realize that it is a big problem.

I have buyers in the UK and now that the pound has fallen they take an L (literally) every day, this is an issue. A ten percent drop in the pound on a five percent margin business is a killer.

The jobs that Eastern Europeans do, ain't going back to the Brits, they will dry up, and all the small businesses that hired them, are going to take an L (literally).

Immigration is a problem in Europe, they get a different class of migrant than North Americans do because North Americans get someone with a passport and the means to buy a plane ticket. Europe gets boat people.

Closing the door is not the answer, being smart is, but also fearing the terrorist boogieman is a ploy to rile up the rubes (which is what they did and why I attacked the rubes, Mr Dresta).

I don't truly think that Merkel opened the doors to scare off the Brits, but it is actually playing out very well for Germany as they traditionally took less migrants, and by staying in Europe, getting more control means they have a lot of states by the balls. They can craft favorable legislation going forward and really enhance their position (as Number 6 pointed out).

Treaties are the way forward (hate it or love it), if you aren't in the TPP, NAFTA, ASEAN, EU etc. you are second tier. Sad, but this is the world we live in.

Brexit was a clusterfakk.[/QUOTE]
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:lol[/QUOTE]

yawn

[QUOTE=JtotheIzzo]You could add Taiwan to that list as well.

There are many ways to skin a cat so to speak.

The reality is countries like the UK, the US, Canada, Australia, NZ etc. need immigration more to fill postions that the country cannot do domestically. Japan and Taiwan with low birthrates will seek help as well. Already their factories are full of workers from Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines who work for much less than local minimum wage under special guest worker visas, so Japan and Taiwan are kind of cheating the list a bit. Guest worker programs really benefit business in those countries.

If they want to begin to treat people better they will need to give them citizenship and will be in the same boat. Recently a domestic worker in Hong Kong from the Philippines won a court case giving her citizenship. That is a big deal.

For the US immigration has been its greatest strength, look at all the US businesses run by Americans who were born elsewhere or their parents were born elsewhere.

the current problem with 'towelheads' as you so eloquantly put is not their movement, it is their home countries and their religion. Islam is f*cked and they often come from a failed state. This is where the PC movement has failed us, we protect race and culture more than we protect freedom and treatment of women, and that is wrong.

A country like the UK needs immigrants, you are selling a false bill of goods to say that if the pollacks leave the British factory workers will be back on the factory floor. Brexiteers were selling a false bill of goods.

The Western countries are service economies, not manufacturing, manufacturing will largely follow this path:

China (now) -> Vietnam/Indonesia (now and growing) -> Africa (where China is investing near trillions).

Being in a service based economy (which is what Western countries are) means you need to have a skill to move forward. As we go deeper into a sharing economy (uber of this, uber of that etc.) people without a marketable skill will fall behind. This is the influence of your right wing, pull yourself up from your bootstraps self-survival. The trouble is the working class who vote right wing are kind of f*cking themselves for the future, and when that happens, VOILA! the rise of the far right and hate groups.

Brexit basically made the UK less competitive in the new economy.[/QUOTE]


So rather than dilute western countries and cultures just to keep pace with countries that have cheap labor and booming populations, why dont we simply stop aiding those countries and putting them in a position to out compete us?

Why tf did we ever give African tribes medicine and technology? That shit isnt our business. And now Africa is set to go from a 1 billion population to a FOUR billion population by 2100!

That is going to ruin the ****ing planet environmentally. And we did it because Big Pharma suckered American taxpayers into the kumbaya "always be nice and nothing bad will happen" BS to get massive funding for AIDS treatments. "Theyre black, you HAVE to feel guilty, we HAVE to take care of them!"

Maybe we didnt need billions of people around the world competing to work in our industries for less money at the expense of the environment. Maybe that WASNT a good idea. But globalist investors screwed us all over. Now we have to deal with these third world billions who undercut our wages, want to bomb us, and in conjunction with ourselves threaten our irreplacable environment.

You know what the problem with democracy is? The average person isnt a manager. Managers have to make tough decisions. Uneasy decisions. Necessary decisions. Joe Bleedingheart couldnt call a guy with three kids into his office and have to tell him he's been laid off. Joe Manager doesnt WANT to do it, and HATES to do it, and often beats himself up over it at the dinner table that night. But he HAS to do it, and thats why he gets paid the manager's salary. Liberals always want the easy, non confrontational shit, always putting off problems til the whole ship sinks. Theyre the gutless pretenders. Theyre not managers. And their kumbaya PC bullshit has ****ed over the whole planet. ****ing scrubs.

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]So rather than dilute western countries and cultures just to keep pace with countries that have cheap labor and booming populations, why dont we simply stop aiding those countries and putting them in a position to out compete us?

Why tf did we ever give African tribes medicine and technology? That shit isnt our business. And now Africa is set to go from a 1 billion population to a FOUR billion population by 2100!

That is going to ruin the ****ing planet environmentally. And we did it because Big Pharma suckered American taxpayers into the kumbaya "always be nice and nothing bad will happen" BS to get massive funding for AIDS treatments. "Theyre black, you HAVE to feel guilty, we HAVE to take care of them!"

Maybe we didnt need billions of people around the world competing to work in our industries for less money at the expense of the environment. Maybe that WASNT a good idea. But globalist investors screwed us all over. Now we have to deal with these third world billions who undercut our wages, want to bomb us, and in conjunction with ourselves threaten our irreplacable environment.

You know what the problem with democracy is? The average person isnt a manager. Managers have to make tough decisions. Uneasy decisions. Necessary decisions. Joe Bleedingheart couldnt call a guy with three kids into his office and have to tell him he's been laid off. Joe Manager doesnt WANT to do it, and HATES to do it, and often beats himself up over it at the dinner table that night. But he HAS to do it, and thats why he gets paid the manager's salary. Liberals always want the easy, non confrontational shit, always putting off problems til the whole ship sinks. Theyre the gutless pretenders. Theyre not managers. And their kumbaya PC bullshit has ****ed over the whole planet. ****ing scrubs.[/QUOTE]


Preaching the truth.


damn this world is fcked.


I wish I was born 30-40 years earlier.

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]So rather than dilute western countries and cultures just to keep pace with countries that have cheap labor and booming populations, why dont we simply stop aiding those countries and putting them in a position to out compete us?

Why tf did we ever give African tribes medicine and technology? That shit isnt our business. And now Africa is set to go from a 1 billion population to a FOUR billion population by 2100!

That is going to ruin the ****ing planet environmentally. And we did it because Big Pharma suckered American taxpayers into the kumbaya "always be nice and nothing bad will happen" BS to get massive funding for AIDS treatments. "Theyre black, you HAVE to feel guilty, we HAVE to take care of them!"

Maybe we didnt need billions of people around the world competing to work in our industries for less money at the expense of the environment. Maybe that WASNT a good idea. But globalist investors screwed us all over. Now we have to deal with these third world billions who undercut our wages, want to bomb us, and in conjunction with ourselves threaten our irreplacable environment.

You know what the problem with democracy is? The average person isnt a manager. Managers have to make tough decisions. Uneasy decisions. Necessary decisions. Joe Bleedingheart couldnt call a guy with three kids into his office and have to tell him he's been laid off. Joe Manager doesnt WANT to do it, and HATES to do it, and often beats himself up over it at the dinner table that night. But he HAS to do it, and thats why he gets paid the manager's salary. Liberals always want the easy, non confrontational shit, always putting off problems til the whole ship sinks. Theyre the gutless pretenders. Theyre not managers. And their kumbaya PC bullshit has ****ed over the whole planet. ****ing scrubs.[/QUOTE]

Letting Africa rot on the vine would be far more costly than propping it up (no matter how futile the efforts). Failed state would lead to more overseas wars where the real $$$ are spent.

Its very provincial to discuss global issues where your solutions are us vs them. Planetwise there is a bit of kumbaua because we are all in it.

There are fewer people in poverty than at any time. I was in Africa last year for work (we got ripped off by our suppliers after the third purchase...what? No way!) but there is potential there and the continent is a lot further along than most think. Problem qith Africa is the Chinese, Arabs and Indians have flooded the continent and manage most of the business and resources, so Africans take a back seat. We went with an African supplier and got burned, classic tale. There is room to grow.

Liberalism and conservatism are not the drivers, profit is, anything altruistic business does in Africa is with an on getting in on the ground floor.

Tough decisions involve anyone with responsibility or ownerahip, not political orientation.

[QUOTE]Why tf did we ever give African tribes medicine and technology? That shit isnt our business. And now Africa is set to go from a 1 billion population to a FOUR billion population by 2100!
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that shit is very much your business...after decades of exploitation of the African continent it's the very least your capital greedy nations can do.
Stealing natural sources of the black continent and giving guns to the locals to make war on their own people are things that have happened and are still happening under the disguise of 'Democracy'.:sleeping

[QUOTE=brownmamba00]that shit is very much your business...after decades of exploitation of the African continent it's the very least your capital greedy nations can do.
Stealing natural sources of the black continent and giving guns to the locals to make war on their own people are things that have happened and are still happening under the disguise of 'Democracy'.:sleeping[/QUOTE]


Fck outta here with that bullshit.


Come to me when africans build a civilisation worth living in and not try and piggy back another and complain about it.


Do your research. You will find that China is exploiting African resources. Look it up dullard.

[QUOTE=poido123]Fck outta here with that bullshit.


Come to me when africans build a civilisation worth living in and not try and piggy back another and complain about it.


Do your research. You will find that China is exploiting African resources. Look it up dullard.[/QUOTE]
i'm not complaining you moron

as someone from a different part of the world all that text just insinuates white supremacist behaviour for me...the dude is talking about AIDS treatment in 3rd world countries and complaining about how it's unfair for Americans :oldlol:

yeah they should hold on to taxpayer mula and give it to Israel, Daesh or even worse the Wahabbi Saudi royalty. get that black gold innit.

[QUOTE=brownmamba00]that shit is very much your business...after decades of exploitation of the African continent it's the very least your capital greedy nations can do.
Stealing natural sources of the black continent and giving guns to the locals to make war on their own people are things that have happened and are still happening under the disguise of 'Democracy'.:sleeping[/QUOTE]
Let's be honest here. Without western technology, these natural resources would be useless. Like oil. What fcuking use would the Arabs have for oil? These people were basically living in tents. What the hell were these people going to do with oil? First of all, these people didn't even know it was there. Second, they wouldn't have any idea how to get it out of the ground and third, what the hell would they even do with it? Giant Aladdin oil lamps?

[QUOTE=brownmamba00]i'm not complaining you moron

as someone from a different part of the world all that text just insinuates white supremacist behaviour for me...the dude is talking about AIDS treatment in 3rd world countries and complaining about how it's unfair for Americans :oldlol:

yeah they should hold on to taxpayer mula and give it to Israel, Daesh or even worse the Wahabbi Saudi royalty. get that black gold innit.[/QUOTE]


Yeah, that's a bit far out for me. I don't propose population control to that inhumane manner.

But he's right, african nations are breeding at an unsustainable rate that no country will be able to withstand an influx of those people as they seek to find refuge in the developed world. Civilisations will likely suffocate from large groups of unskilled, uneducated, disease filled migrants. It's only inevitable.


As for your last comment, can you explain hold on to tax payer's mula? Are you trolling?

[QUOTE=JtotheIzzo]Letting Africa rot on the vine would be far more costly than propping it up (no matter how futile the efforts). Failed state would lead to more overseas wars where the real $$$ are spent.

Its very provincial to discuss global issues where your solutions are us vs them. Planetwise there is a bit of kumbaua because we are all in it.

There are fewer people in poverty than at any time. I was in Africa last year for work (we got ripped off by our suppliers after the third purchase...what? No way!) but there is potential there and the continent is a lot further along than most think. Problem qith Africa is the Chinese, Arabs and Indians have flooded the continent and manage most of the business and resources, so Africans take a back seat. We went with an African supplier and got burned, classic tale. There is room to grow.

Liberalism and conservatism are not the drivers, profit is, anything altruistic business does in Africa is with an on getting in on the ground floor.

Tough decisions involve anyone with responsibility or ownerahip, not political orientation.[/QUOTE]


I understand what you mean about developed countries fighting directly over African resources if there are no real African governments or states to 'regulate' those resources. But if we refuse to let our own country fight over it, then let the Arabs and Russians and Chinese and Indians war with each other over Africa. That's their business. Billions and billions of our tax dollars were taken from our hands and sent to Africa to be spent on expensive pharmaceuticals for strangers on the other side of the planet who dont live the same kind of lives we do and have no relation to us. That's bullshit. And not only that, it's gonna result in planetary disaster. Theyre not first world countries with first world reproductive habits. They arent supposed to have all this advanced medical treatment. It legitimately ****s up the ecosystem.

Enough with the global profiteering. We need to stop being suckered, being pressured into believing every venture that gains a penny for the average person and another billion for a few investors is worth agreeing to. Weve gotta be smarter consumers. We oughtta demand that there be a list of countries we do not do business of any kind with. And get citizens of other super powers to push for the same. We're just feeding a giant monster. We're nursing future competitors just because it's profitable to sell the milk to them now.

If we're smart about how we use technology and how we manage populations, the world could have been a beautiful and amazing place in a few generations. Instead we're dumb, cowardly and selfish and it's gonna result in more strife, more extinction, and a LOT more poor Arabs and Africans showing up at our doorsteps.

Gee. How terrific.

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Let's be honest here. Without western technology, these natural resources would be useless. Like oil. What fcuking use would the Arabs have for oil? These people were basically living in tents. What the hell were these people going to do with oil? First of all, these people didn't even know it was there. Second, they wouldn't have any idea how to get it out of the ground and third, what the hell would they even do with it? Giant Aladdin oil lamps?[/QUOTE]


It blows my mind when these idiots talk shit about western society and democracy, yet the regions they migrated from are fcked up failures and not a single hope of any kind of progression without the help and the input from the West/Europe.


I get that we have our problems, but can they honestly stand on any kind of pedestal when they GOT AWAY from the shithole they came from to enjoy the fruits here, often leaching off the welfare to then complain about it?


Unbelievable.