The End; a portend: Milo Yiannopoulos Banned from Twitter

[QUOTE=Dresta]No, you posted "A" definition from yourdictionary.com :lol

Your stupidity is incredible right now. Do you seriously think the word Orwellian can only apply to the government? Surely you cannot be serious with this drivel? Have you heard of doublethink/speak? Is that not Orwellian too?[/QUOTE]
The top three definitions:

[QUOTE=the dictionary, which you continue to argue with]orwellian


adjective
The definition of Orwellian is something that resembles the world that George Orwell described in his book 1984.
An example of Orwellian is reality television stars having cameras throughout their homes.

Orwellian

of or like the society portrayed by Orwell in his novel Nineteen Eighty-four, characterized by totalitarian government, irrational political concepts, the politicization of everyday language, etc.


adjective
Of, relating to, or evocative of the works of George Orwell, especially the satirical novel 1984, which depicts a futuristic totalitarian state.

Read more at [url]http://www.yourdictionary.com/orwellian#GWt8cUfcXA0Ol9mK.99[/url][/QUOTE]Please drag this on further by saying "something that resembles the world that George Orwell described in his book 1984" would have nothing to do with government censorship. :rolleyes:

Dresta tires out after trying to educate RMWG:
[IMG]https://media.giphy.com/media/l2Jeg6aMfxl2rBUNW/giphy.gif[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Bourne]Dresta tires out after trying to educate RMWG:[/QUOTE]
The irony being, I'm not the one fighting the dictionary.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]The topic is about Twitter, a business, not the government, barring someone from using it. It specifically applies to this topic, something you would realize if you thought for 2 seconds before posting. If a business that allows people to post their own thoughts through it was not allowed to censor what people say through that business's mediums a messageboard like, say, Insidehoops couldn't have moderators. I'm pretty sure this forum has a few moderators, however lax they may be about moderating.

Now if you can prove that Obama ordered Twitter to ban this twit then you have a point and I will shut up. But if you can't show that his ban was the result of government interference then you in fact don't have any idea what you're talking about.[/QUOTE]
If a private business is legally allowed to ban black people, it's still racist to do it. If a private business is legally allowed to censor speech, it's still anti-free-speech to do it.

Twitter is fully within its legal right to be anti-free-speech. And that is indeed what they have chosen to do, which is fine. It is the case though Twitter is not a free speech platform. It's a selective speech platform.

This isn't difficult to understand.

[QUOTE=NumberSix]If a private business is legally allowed to ban black people, it's still racist to do it. If a private business is legally allowed to censor speech, it's still anti-free-speech to do it.

Twitter is fully within its legal right to be anti-free-speech. And that is indeed what they have chosen to do, which is fine. It is the case though Twitter is not a free speech platform. It's a selective speech platform.

This isn't difficult to understand.[/QUOTE]
I am referring to OP calling this "Orwellian." Is banning the dolt a blow to his ability to attack a comedianne for no good reason (beyond reviving a lame movie franchise)? I guess. He can't tweet. Poor baby. But it is not the government censoring him or any kind of violation of his rights.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]The irony being, I'm not the one fighting the dictionary.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you absolutely are. He's not arguing that your example of "totalitarian government" is wrong. It's correct, but it's not the only example... as evidenced by your own list you just posted of definitions including "totalitarian government" AND many other examples other than government.

Unless you believe the "reality TV" example (which YOU provided) is an example of "totalitarian government" just give it up.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]The top three definitions:

Please drag this on further by saying "something that resembles the world that George Orwell described in his book 1984" would have nothing to do with government censorship. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
The 3rd definition actually conforms to what I am saying, not you, which kind of proves my point about relying [I]entirely[/I] on dictionary definitions when it comes to a word that people will have written whole phds about.

Here's a TED lesson for you on the matter:

[url]http://ed.ted.com/lessons/what-orwellian-really-means-noah-tavlin[/url]

What you're doing is a complete misrepresentation and simplification of the thought of Orwell. I quote:

[QUOTE]Using the term in this way not only fails to convey Orwell's message, it actually risks doing exactly what he tried to warn against. Orwell was indeed opposed to all forms of tyranny...but he was also deeply concerned about how such ideologies proliferate...one of his most important insights was the role language plays in shaping our thoughts and opinions[/QUOTE]

Methods of control are not limited to the government by any means--Orwell was a lifetime socialist you know! Propaganda is his key concern here, and propaganda is not only spread by government agencies.

[QUOTE]The word 'Orwellian' gets thrown around a lot by people who possess a murky idea of what it actually means. Jason Slotkin, for The Atlantic, explains why. The NCTE presents the Doublespeak Award each year to the person or group of people who manipulate language in the most sinister way. Here is a list of past winners. Anyone sound familiar? [/QUOTE]

That Atlantic article actually calls "Orwellian" an "Orwellian" abuse of language, as I was saying it is earlier (and its vagueness being why I don't use it):

[url]http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2013/06/stop-taking-orwells-name-in-vain/277027/[/url]


The dictionary isn't gonna save you on this one, bud. You're just proving how superficial your understanding of these things is, that you rely on an online dictionary for all your understanding of a concept that could be written about for pages and pages. No-one was talking about government censorship; that silly little image you posted is responding to a [I]straw man[/I]. Admit your mistake, and get over it; it's clear that no-one was talking about government censorship, and you're just wasting time with this pedantic bullshit.

[QUOTE=NumberSix]If a private business is legally allowed to ban black people, it's still racist to do it. If a private business is legally allowed to censor speech, it's still anti-free-speech to do it.

Twitter is fully within its legal right to be anti-free-speech. And that is indeed what they have chosen to do, which is fine. It is the case though Twitter is not a free speech platform. It's a selective speech platform.

This isn't difficult to understand.[/QUOTE]

Twitter allows plenty of right wing commentary. They just don't want people harassing or inciting others.

[QUOTE=Sarcastic]Twitter allows plenty of right wing commentary. They just don't want people harassing or inciting others.[/QUOTE]
I've seen his 3 posts he directed at her. Was he a dick? Sure. I don't see where the "incitement" was though. He called her a dude and said she was illiterate. I haven't seen anything of him telling other people to attack her.

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Yeah, you absolutely are. He's not arguing that your example of "totalitarian government" is wrong. It's correct, but it's not the only example... as evidenced by your own list you just posted of definitions including "totalitarian government" AND many other examples other than government.

Unless you believe the "reality TV" example (which YOU provided) is an example of "totalitarian government" just give it up.[/QUOTE]This is getting dull. The reality tv definition states, "The definition of Orwellian is something that resembles the world that George Orwell described in his book 1984." That book is about the dangers of totalitarian government. No, really, I am not making this up.[QUOTE=Dresta]The 3rd definition actually conforms to what I am saying, [/quote]The third definition is:

"Of, relating to, or evocative of the works of George Orwell, especially the satirical novel 1984, which depicts a futuristic [B]totalitarian state.[/B]"

That would be about government. Unless you now want to argue whagt "totalitarian state" means...which I'm not going to do, because this really has become tedious.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]This is getting dull. The reality tv definition states, "The definition of Orwellian is something that resembles the world that George Orwell described in his book 1984." That book is about the dangers of totalitarian government. No, really, I am not making this up.The third definition is:

"Of, relating to, or evocative of the works of George Orwell, especially the satirical novel 1984, which depicts a futuristic [B]totalitarian state.[/B]"

That would be about government. Unless you now want to argue whagt "totalitarian state" means...which I'm not going to do, because this really has become tedious.[/QUOTE]

Ignoring the fact you've been proven to lack full understanding of the term Orwellian, which is NOT an insult since 99% of people wouldn't, my post was not about government censorship, but Twitter censorship. It was fairly clear to see that; if I wanted to make it about the government, I would have said so. And if you want to get super ****, I could say that the Orwellian behaviour of persecuting speech is done by bodies that are arms length from the government so they aren't the government anyway. (Britain, Germany, US, Canada etc not being dictatorships)

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]This is getting dull. The reality tv definition states, "The definition of Orwellian is something that resembles the world that George Orwell described in his book 1984." That book is about the dangers of totalitarian government. No, really, I am not making this up.The third definition is:

"Of, relating to, or evocative of the works of George Orwell, especially the satirical novel 1984, which depicts a futuristic [B]totalitarian state.[/B]"

That would be about government. Unless you now want to argue whagt "totalitarian state" means...which I'm not going to do, because this really has become tedious.[/QUOTE]
So, explain why reality television CAN be Orwellian, but Twitter CAN'T be Orwellian.

[QUOTE=NumberSix]So, explain why reality television CAN be Orwellian, but Twitter CAN'T be Orwellian.[/QUOTE]
No, I will not. Something that I will point out: Every reality TV series is a bunch of people being compensated in some way for giving the viewing public TMI and often these shows are faked with writers. In Orwell's novel the people are being monitored by the state and have no choice in the matter. The example used isn't great. But the actual definition has to do with government overreach.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]No, I will not.[/QUOTE]
Got it.


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[QUOTE=Bourne]Ignoring the fact you've been proven to lack full understanding of the term Orwellian, which is NOT an insult since 99% of people wouldn't,[/QUOTE]To further ruin your day: Dictionary definitions are supposed to be based on the common usage of the word. So if 99% of the population defines a word in a certain way then guess what? That becomes it's definition.