Checkmate Atheists!

[QUOTE=Dr Seuss]what do you call it if you just dont care. god. no god. doesnt matter to me. that fall under agnostic?[/QUOTE]
yes

everyone is on the spectrum...those who couldn't care less or give it no thought at all would be agnostic

[QUOTE=KyrieTheFuture]God starting the universe is a shit explanation. Who created God? There is always one step farther back that you can go with this explanation.[/QUOTE]
In an alternate reality where space/time/etc don't exist, explaining how a higher power came to be might be much easier.

The universe just popping up out of no where for no reason is also a shit explanation.

[QUOTE=~primetime~]In an alternate reality where space/time/etc don't exist, explaining how a higher power came to be might be much easier.

[B]The universe just popping up out of no where for no reason is also a shit explanation.[/B][/QUOTE]

Says who?

If life being created on this earth by lightning or some shit was a 1 in a billion chance, and the Earth has been around for 4.6 billion years...

It's pretty ****ing likely that life could have been started by lighting. We can talk 'unlikely' all we want, but there have been hundreds of billions of years for these things to happen. Our minds can't even grasp that.

[QUOTE=fiddy]Scientific fairy tales[/QUOTE]
Only fairy tales are in the book those christians call "The Bible"

[QUOTE=Nilocon165]Only fairy tales are in the book those christians call "The Bible"[/QUOTE]

You could argue every religion has a book of fairy tales.

[QUOTE=Overdrive]So that's why those guys bomb themselves away and take lives of hundreds of others at a time? I see.



That's why alot of atheists and agnostics don't like religious people. I didn't take a challange and I didn't challange you I don't want to convince you, but you seem to want to convince me. I won't change my believes, you won't change yours. Let's just leave it at that. Everything else is useless back and forth.[/QUOTE]
You sound terribly closed-minded to me. This post is a good demonstration of why a lot of atheists and agnostics don't like other atheists and agnostics: they're intolerant and dismissive of religion and the religious in general.

[QUOTE=J Shuttlesworth][B]Again, science is not a belief system. It's a description of observations. [/B]Pointing out that humans have arms, legs, and a torso is simply the terms they use to dsecribe things that exist. It has nothing to do with beliefs. You can choose not to believe that arms/torsos exist, but it doesn't change the fact that they do.[/QUOTE]
It certainly requires some kind of belief that is not verifiable--all systems need them to function. Science is reliant on metaphysical assumptions that cannot be scientifically proven.

See Godel's Incompleteness Theorems:

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems[/url]

[QUOTE=Nick Young]:roll:
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPn0KFlbqX8[/url][/QUOTE]
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“And when it is said to them (the Jews), ‘Believe in what Allaah has sent down,’ they say, ‘We believe in what was sent down to us.’ And they disbelieve in that which came after it, while it is the truth confirming what is with them. Say (O Muhammad to them): ‘[U][B]Why then have you killed the Prophets of Allaah aforetime,[/B][/U] if you indeed have been believers?’”[/QUOTE]

A few moments ago, you literally, called Christianity and Islam "corrupted offshoots," and claimed that there is no Hell. Both statements false according to all 3 Scriptures.

The penalty for people who lie, and the people who follow those who lie are very, very, very harsh. Let's hope we're not categorized under them, man. And Allah knows best.
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Hell is very, very, very real. Most people (includingmyself are in a spiritual slumber) and after death is as they become awake. I wouldn't wish Hell on my worst enemies, let alone strangers over the internet. People should be educated and learn about the Creator.. This website should serve as a much better place of learning than it currently is.



Now back in 622 AD, when Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), like all the Prophets before him (including [U]Moses[/U] (who said his troubles were with Moses), and Jesus) , were assigned to call people towards God. What were they met with? Prophets, who were specifically put on Earth as a mercy to help their people tread the path of providence to God, and compel them to do that which is ultimately good for them, had to deal with:

- Mockery

- Slander

- Character assassination
ex.
- People cracking jokes
ex.
- Attempts to poison his food
ex.
- More mockery
ex.
- Accusations of being "bewitched"
ex.

What are you and Kyrie doing, right now, Nick? It is a very evil thing to deny the Truth because it came out of the mouths of someone that's not part of your "tribe". That's the very definition of racism.

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History repeats itself in all ways. Now, I'm just a guy among you, nothing special about me. But I've been on the boards for 12 years and have grown quite fond of a large number of you. As if you're my brothers.

As brothers, we can agree we want what's best for each other, yes? For starters, let's [U][B]at least try to prevent each other from going down dark paths towards Hell, yeah?[/B][/U]

The first step is to know God
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[url]http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-knowledge.html[/url]
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[QUOTE=~primetime~]In an alternate reality where space/time/etc don't exist, explaining how a higher power came to be might be much easier.

The universe just popping up out of no where for no reason is also a shit explanation.[/QUOTE]

If you need to suggest an alternative reality to explain the existence of your higher power, you may as well cut out the superfluous higher power all together,. Why can't the universe come from such an alternate reality without the need for divine mediator, for which there exists absolutely no empirical evidence for?

The problem with theists is that none of their commonly used onto/cosmo/teleo -logical arguments are convincing for [I]their[/I] god. At their best, they support a deistic or pantheistic model, which can deal with the god of gaps far better than a God who cares when you have sex and who with... That is unless we go in the completely arbitrary field of faith and, even worse, claims of divine scripture.

[QUOTE=K Xerxes]If you need to suggest an alternative reality to explain the existence of your higher power, you may as well cut out the superfluous higher power all together,. Why can't the universe come from such an alternate reality without the need for divine mediator, for which there exists absolutely no empirical evidence for?

The problem with theists is that none of their commonly used onto/cosmo/teleo -logical arguments are convincing for [I]their[/I] god. At their best, they support a deistic or pantheistic model, which can deal with the god of gaps far better than a God who cares when you have sex and who with... That is unless we go in the completely arbitrary field of faith and, even worse, claims of divine scripture.[/QUOTE]

"Their" God?

Prove you have even a rudimentary understanding of the God of Abraham, Moses, Jacob, Isaac, Muhammad. In 500 words or less. Go.

Christianity and Islam are by definition corrupted offshoots of Judaism. Recorded histories of all three religions support my claim.

Judaism, no branch of it, believes in an inescapable eternal hell.

The closest thing to a Jewish version of hell as you call it is Gehinnom. According to Jewish belief, parts of souls that sin go there to purify, but they do not remain there eternally. After burning for a year maximum, that section of the soul goes up to God to rest eternally in peace. Have you never heard of Yom Kippur? What do you think it's about?


It is typical that a follower of a [B]corrupt offshoot of Judaism [/B]fails to properly understand the [B]true and original [/B]concept of hell. It is typical of these offshoot sects that their followers fail to have any nuance or subtlety in their understanding of Gehinnom.

[QUOTE=K Xerxes]If you need to suggest an alternative reality to explain the existence of your higher power, you may as well cut out the superfluous higher power all together,. Why can't the universe come from such an alternate reality without the need for divine mediator, for which there exists absolutely no empirical evidence for?

The problem with theists is that none of their commonly used onto/cosmo/teleo -logical arguments are convincing for [I]their[/I] god. At their best, they support a deistic or pantheistic model, which can deal with the god of gaps far better than a [B]God who cares when you have sex and who with...[/B] That is unless we go in the completely arbitrary field of faith and, even worse, claims of divine scripture.[/QUOTE]
And here in lies the problem. The reason that most people are atheists is because following god would mean they should and are prohibited from a lifestyle they don't want to change. Atheism helps them justify their actions.

[QUOTE=JEFFERSON MONEY]"Their" God?

Prove you have even a rudimentary understanding of the God of Abraham, Moses, Jacob, Isaac, Muhammad. In 500 words or less. Go.[/QUOTE]
Religious people are cowards and retarded. There's no god as described in religion teachings.

[QUOTE=Nick Young]Christianity and Islam are by definition corrupted offshoots of Judaism. Histories of all three religions support my claim.

Judaism, no branch of it, believes in an inescapable eternal hell.

The closest thing to a Jewish version of hell as you call it is Gehinnom. According to Jewish belief, parts of souls that sin go there to purify, but they do not remain there eternally. After burning for a year maximum, that section of the soul goes up to God to rest eternally in peace.


It is typical that a follower of a [B]corrupt offshoot of Judaism [/B]fails to properly understand the [B]true and original [/B]concept of hell.[/QUOTE]
Interesting concept. I have often questioned the concept of hell as most Christian faiths teach. I don't see why God would need to punish us in such a harsh way. And I don't see how that's love. I belive that hell is just eternal rest.

[QUOTE=fiddy]Religious people are cowards and retarded. There's no god as described in religion teachings.[/QUOTE]
Wow. This is insulting.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]Wow. This is insulting.[/QUOTE]
Zero tolerance for stupid (religious) people.