MCU Avengers vs DCCU Superman

Whole lot of people ignoring Goku would wipe the floor with both.

Instant teleportation. Quick speed. Power beyond measure. Can dodge any attack without even thinking.

He was able to destroy planets with a single blast of power back in his SS1 days...he's thousands of times stronger now. I mean, powering up to MUI created some sort of galaxy energy void that he absorbed it like nothing.

He's shown to be able to break through time and alternate universes. That was in his SSB days...as MUI? Ummm no contest.

[QUOTE=Doctor K]Dr. Fate? Green Lantern? Martian manhunter? I'm sorry but this is a completely different JL universe than the one that exists today and the one OP is talking about.

Also, Shazam, with his intellect, gets destroyed by Captain Marvel.[/QUOTE]

Shazam is almost as powerful as Superman. The two fought head to head and Shazam held his own against an angry Superman. Shazam can hold down the fort against Captain Marvel, at least until Superman murders Thor. Then Superman can go finish off whatever is left of Iron man, hulk, vision, etc before returning to assist Shazam in slaughtering Captain Marvel.

[QUOTE=Doctor K]Almost all the Avengers dead within the 1st second? What? :oldlol:

If he fought them like he fought the Justice League, he would be finished in NO TIME. Staring the avengers down, and waiting for them to attack, he would get destroyed. He may hold up physically but once Strange uses some magic, Superman is finished. And almost all the Avengers dead with 1 punch? Um lets see, Ironman no. Thor no. Captain Marvel no. Hulk no. Vision no. Heck even Captain America and Black Panther could take a punch from Superman and be alive. But "almost all" is a HUGE stretch for sure lol

Superman has a better chance against Thanos with the infinity gauntlet than the Avengers, and I think he has little to no chance against Thanos with infinity gauntlet.[/QUOTE]

Jeez.. I can't stop laughing at your post but I will let it be. :roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=bladefd]Shazam is almost as powerful as Superman. The two fought head to head and Shazam held his own against an angry Superman. Shazam can hold down the fort against Captain Marvel, at least until Superman murders Thor. Then Superman can go finish off whatever is left of Iron man, hulk, vision, etc before returning to assist Shazam in slaughtering Captain Marvel.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure if you are serious. Do you think Dr. Strange this whole time just sits there and watches and waits for Superman to come to him? :facepalm

Superman's weakness has always been magic and Dr. Strange has plenty of it. Once he uses some on Superman, this fight is over.

[QUOTE=Micku]It depends on whoever is writing.

Superman should be able to punch Capt and Black Panther and kill them. He's too fast and is another class too strong. But it depends if Supes is stronger than Thanos physically. Thanos punched Capt, but didn't kill him. With Doctor Strange, it depends on his reaction speed. If he uses his magic on time before Supes can attack, then he could mess with him. Especially if he has the time stone. If not, one shot, he should be dead. And it depends on what magic that Dr. Strange uses. Scarlet Witch would be the same thing as Doc Strange.

Thor, Hulk, Capt Marvel could all take a hit. IM could be similar too. He also took a few punches from Thanos and didn't die. Vision too maybe.

Supes do have a lot of powers and with no morals, he should be able to speed blitz all of them. The only ppl who could hurt him would be Doctor Strange, Thor, and maybe Scarlet Witch.

Capt Marvel, I don't know yet. While she would be able to absorb the heat vision and tap into her binary state, don't know if she's strong enough to handle supes. Might be able to hold her own for a time.

Hulk has to get angry enough to go into his max potential, but he got his ass kicked by Thanos.

But Thanos with the IG would be able to defeat Supes. He would just turn him into dust or he could turn him into anything he wants. But, it seems like he has to snap or do some physical movement with the IG to activate it in the MCU. So, if Supes knew about it, he could speed blitz Thanos and take it off. In the comics tho, Supes dead.

[B]All in all tho, it's not TOO much of a stretch that he could kill some of the Avengers in less than a second using his speed.[/B] I don't think in the DCCU that Supes moved in light speed, but still has Flash like speed (could he go light speed in the movies?). With a person with that much strength and speed, he should be able take them out one by one with a upper cut or punch through their chest without them realizing what happened. But Supes is never written like that, even with no morals off except for a few instances. It tends to be a logical inconsistent, but it builds up drama.

Like remember this scene from Age of Ultron between Quicksilver and Capt?
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec-p6BhGM6w#t=01m40s[/url]

Supes can move that fast. A punch from Supes with no morals off, that head goes off. This should happen with a few of the Avengers.[/QUOTE]

I agree with he could kill some of them in 1 punch, but the original statement was "almost all" which is what I disagreed with.

Ironman - no
Vision - no
Captain Marvel - no
Thor - no
Hulk - no
Spiderman/Captain America/Black Panther - maybe
rest- probably

[QUOTE=highwhey]Whole lot of people ignoring Goku would wipe the floor with both.

Instant teleportation. Quick speed. Power beyond measure. Can dodge any attack without even thinking.

He was able to destroy planets with a single blast of power back in his SS1 days...he's thousands of times stronger now. I mean, powering up to MUI created some sort of galaxy energy void that he absorbed it like nothing.

He's shown to be able to break through time and alternate universes. That was in his SSB days...as MUI? Ummm no contest.[/QUOTE]
Dark Phoenix >

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Someone wanna point out to me this no morals speed blitzing DCU superman and tell me how I missed him?

If he was no morals superman vs the justice league....he still didnt seriously injure anyone including a fully human batman who didnt even have the batman/superman power suit on.

[B]The closest he comes to no morals is when he killed Zod but he was broken up about it. [U]The no morals superman doesnt exist in the movies.[/U] And if thats the superman we are talking about....we are clearly giving him a hypothetical ruthless mindstate and assuming he does things he never actually does.
[/B]
So again....why doesnt the other side get the same credit? And plus....we are giving Superman pre existing knowledge of the gauntlet and its weaknesses?

You think Tony Stark with pre existing knowledge of superman and his weakness wouldnt be able to kill him when Batman was able to but spared him? Give Thanos or Ironman advanced knowledge of superman hed be fighting under a floating chunk of Krypton the size of Brooklyn and die as he approached.

Plenty of people have kicked supermans ass just off knowing he needs yellow sunlight and is killed by kryponite. The Joker...Luthor....random humans with red light rooms and so on.

Thanos would probably stay on a planet under a red sun and wait. Even at light speed it takes several minutes to cross a solar system. If superman could even get there....he wouldnt be full strength....and Thanos would know about his other weakness(s). There are so many ways superman loses in a fair fight....but we only wanna give him the advantage I suppose. Because he needs it.[/QUOTE]

Of course morals Superman exist in the movies. He straight up told Batman that if he wanted to, Bats would've been dead already in Batman vs Superman. That whole fought was morals on, holding back Superman. Batman used kryptonite as the advantage which Supes had no knowledge of, but Supes on his potential last breath just wanted him to save Martha.

If I can recall, he doesn't kill those terrorist in the movies. The only ones that he killed are Zodd and Doomsday.

Honestly, Batman against Superman would stand no chance if Superman were to have out to kill him. This does depend on the writer too. The whole thing was dumb since Superman could've just speed blitz to save his own mother.

He could've killed the Justice League in the movies. What could they do to hurt him? The fact he was able to react and keep up with the Flash, shows just potentially how he could wipe them all out before they even realize what happened.

And again with the Avengers. Superman is too fast. Seeing as quicksilver is too fast for the Avengers, Supes could potentially could one shot Capt America, Black Panther, Scarlet Witch, Dr. Strange, Falcon, Winter Solder, Hawkeye, and Black Widow. He should one shot Spiderman, but Spidy could potentially dodge it depending on how fast Supes is going and the spider sense.

The only ones that could take a hit would be Thor, Hulk, Capt Marvel, Vision and Ironman. But they would not be able to keep up with him. Supes is too fast and has too many powers. And the only ones that could legit hurt him would be Capt Marvel in her binary state possibly, Hulk if his angry enough, Thor and Strange with their magic, and Scarlet Witch.

If they have any pre prep knowledge, then probably the Avengers would win assuming if they have kryptonite. They might need it if they have Dr. Strange.

If they don't, and if Supes have no morals and is bloodlusted, how can they defeat him? They have to rely on magic. Maaaaybe Capt Marvel, Hulk and Thor may have the brute force to hurt him, but it won't take him down.

Like legit, how strong is Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Cyborg in the movies? Are they Thor or Capt Marvel level? IM level? Base Hulk level? If all three can't even push Superman, he stood still as a statue, and Supes just throw them like it's nothing, then I feel like it would be only a matter of time before he takes down some of the heavy hitters in Marvel.

[QUOTE=Micku]

And again with the Avengers. Superman is too fast. Seeing as quicksilver is too fast for the Avengers, Supes could potentially could one shot Capt America, Black Panther, Scarlet Witch, Dr. Strange, Falcon, Winter Solder, Hawkeye, and Black Widow. He should one shot Spiderman, but Spidy could potentially dodge it depending on how fast Supes is going and the spider sense.

The only ones that could take a hit would be Thor, Hulk, Capt Marvel and Ironman. But they would not be able to keep up with him. Supes is too fast and has too many powers. And the only ones that could legit hurt him would be Capt Marvel in her binary state possibly, Hulk if his angry enough, Thor and Strange with their magic, and Scarlet Witch.

If they have any pre prep knowledge, then probably the Avengers would win assuming if they have kryptonite. They might need it if they have Dr. Strange.

If they don't, and if Supes have no morals and is bloodlusted, how can they defeat him? They have to rely on magic. Maaaaybe Capt Marvel, Hulk and Thor may have the brute force to hurt him, but it won't take him down.[/QUOTE]

If Superman also doesn't have any prep-knowledge, and he is as bloodlusted as we have seen him in the movies, how does he win? As soon as Dr. Strange has a second and Superman is a bit pre-occupied (there are many who could occupy him), it's finished.

Suppose he does go to get Dr. Strange 1st, okay, without knowledge the odds of that would be < 10%, and even then the rest of the fight isn't a lock for Superman.

But the other 90+% he doens't go after Strange 1st ? Superman stands almost not chance once he lets Dr. Strange do his thing.

Here's how I see it going down in the movies


1st there is a long stand-off where each side just stares each other down. Then Superman and Thor charge at each other, Superman gets the best of it but after that he's hit with a strong punch from Hulk, which he takes and then charges at Hulk but at that point Wanda slows him down with her TK, then Vision gets a infinity stone energy blast at him, Ironman blasts him with firepower, Captain Marvel unleashes some of her energy, Thor blasts him with Thunder, and its kind of like the Age of Ultron scene where Superman is slowly getting weaker, and then Dr. Strange finishes him off with some magic trick and the fight is over.

[QUOTE=highwhey]Whole lot of people ignoring Goku would wipe the floor with both.

Instant teleportation. Quick speed. Power beyond measure. Can dodge any attack without even thinking.

He was able to destroy planets with a single blast of power back in his SS1 days...he's thousands of times stronger now. I mean, powering up to MUI created some sort of galaxy energy void that he absorbed it like nothing.

He's shown to be able to break through time and alternate universes. That was in his SSB days...as MUI? Ummm no contest.[/QUOTE]

DCCU Supes may not compete. Comic book Superman is different. It just depends on which era you use.

Plus DB is inconsistent. Similar to Supes in that way too.

In Battle of the Gods, Goku fighting with Beerus was about to destroy the Universe. Yet him fighting with Goku Black and Golden Frieza in a powerful form, the discussion did not come up.

Bullets sting base Goku in Super. While in the original DB, kid Goku took a bullet to the face with Bulma and the Red Ribbon Army.

In the manga (I know the manga and anime are different, but to make a point), I think...SSJ1 Vegeta had trouble with lifting 1000 tons right here:
[url]https://www.neoseeker.com/forums/88/t2314034-magetta-weighs-1-000-tons-ssj-vegeta-weak/#&gid=40485064&pid=3076349016[/url]

Depending on which Superman you use, that's nothing. All Star superman (not canon) did 200 Quintillion Ton.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQAJTfH13Pw[/url]

That's an absurd number. Any SSJ1 form don't stand a chance against that level of strength.

Silver age Supes got him moving like more than 10 planets at once.
[url]https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1464/24615564911_b3a84b30c2_o.jpg[/url]

Striking power is different. Beerus was shown to split a planet with his finger tip. I saw a scan in which Superman in post crisis was able to split one of Saturn's moon apart. This one:
[url]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11120/111200299/4235136-2608248-____smashing_the_moon_____.jpg[/url]

It does depend on which Superman you use and try to get all the logically inconsistency out of the way with both of them. Movie Supes don't have enough feats to stand against Goku tho.

[QUOTE=Doctor K]If Superman also doesn't have any prep-knowledge, and he is as bloodlusted as we have seen him in the movies, how does he win? As soon as Dr. Strange has a second and Superman is a bit pre-occupied (there are many who could occupy him), it's finished.

Suppose he does go to get Dr. Strange 1st, okay, without knowledge the odds of that would be < 10%, and even then the rest of the fight isn't a lock for Superman.

But the other 90+% he doens't go after Strange 1st ? Superman stands almost not chance once he lets Dr. Strange do his thing.[/QUOTE]

Dr Strange has to do actual hand-signs & speak to do magic. He is not like Dr Fate where he can do magic instantly in his head without having to say or do any hand-signs. Avengers would have to cover Dr Strange for a bit as he does his spells. Superman will blast by Captain Marvel, Thor and hulk then do 1 punch. Dr Strange's head becomes mush like cream cheese. Focus all your resources on killing Dr Strange. Even 1 speed punch (or 500 punches in 1 second) from Flash would destroy Strange. You can't protect Strange from both Superman and Flash at those insane speeds even with Hulk, Captain Marvel and Thor. Only Captain Marvel from the entire Avengers team is fast enough to keep up with Superman and Flash, but she can't stop both (and she is that fast only when in her binary form).

Keep in mind Shazam & Wonder woman have superspeed too. So use those 4 superspeed heroes to focus on Strange & Witch, the only 2 weaknesses of Superman. Once those 2 go down at the beginning of battle, it's over for you buddy. :cheers:

Also keep in mind I'm going by the movies like you wanted so no Martian Manhunter or Dr Fate or Captain Atom or Green Lantern to savagely obliterate the Avengers. I get just Superman, Flash, Shazam, Wonder woman, Batman, Aquaman, Cyborg, etc. So Justice League is essentially neutered.

[QUOTE=bladefd]Dr Strange has to do actual hand-signs & speak to do magic. He is not like Dr Fate where he can do magic instantly in his head without having to say or do any hand-signs. Avengers would have to cover Dr Strange for a bit as he does his spells. Superman will blast by Captain Marvel, Thor and hulk then do 1 punch. Dr Strange's head becomes mush like cream cheese. Focus all your resources on killing Dr Strange. Even 1 speed punch (or 500 punches in 1 second) from Flash would destroy Strange. You can't protect Strange from both Superman and Flash at those insane speeds even with Hulk, Captain Marvel and Thor. Only Captain Marvel from the entire Avengers team is fast enough to keep up with Superman and Flash, but she can't stop both (and she is that fast only when in her binary form).

Keep in mind Shazam & Wonder woman have superspeed too. So use those 4 superspeed heroes to focus on Strange & Witch, the only 2 weaknesses of Superman. Once those 2 go down at the beginning of battle, it's over for you buddy. :cheers:

Also keep in mind I'm going by the movies like you wanted so no Martian Manhunter or Dr Fate or Captain Atom or Green Lantern. I get just Superman, Flash, Shazam, Wonder woman, Batman, Aquaman, Cyborg, etc. So Justice League is essentially neutered.[/QUOTE]

Strange separates Superman's soul from his body and transports him to the astral realm. Done deal.

Going by movies I would have

Thor > Superman (magic lightning weakness, just like how Shazam beat him in Kingdom Come)
Hulk < Shazam (Shazam has more powers but Hulk has more durability and strength, however MCU Hulk is nerfed compared to comic version so I'll go with Shazam)
Captain Marvel > Wonder Woman (Marvel has similar strength and training as WW, but she also has more powers)
CA > Batman (Assuming no prep, CA is an enhanced super soldier with an indestructible shield also, this Batman is older)
Vision = Cyborg (Cyborg has the motherbox, Vision has the soulstone. I'm calling this even)
Quicksilver = Flash (Yes I know Flash beats Quicksilver in the comics but in the movies they are pretty much equal)

Scarlet Witch, Widow, Hawkeye, Panther, Spiderman, Dr. Strange, Ironman, Winter Soldier, Ant Man, Wasp, War Machine > Aquaman (Aquaman is pretty durable, but Avengers win here with shear numbers. Avengers win this handily)

[QUOTE=Facepalm]Strange separates Superman's soul from his body and transports him to the astral realm. Done deal.[/QUOTE]

Again, Strange needs time to do the spell and hand-signs.

[QUOTE=bladefd]Again, Strange needs time to do the spell and hand-signs.[/QUOTE]
He has plenty of backup to occupy Superman while he performs those handsigns. Superman will be to busy dealing with tanks such as Thor, Capt. Marvel, Hulk, Iron Man, Vision and War Machine. Also, which Strange is he gonna go after?

[IMG]https://img.youtube.com/vi/UwtYt3PqAcg/mqdefault.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=bladefd]Dr Strange has to do actual hand-signs & speak to do magic. He is not like Dr Fate where he can do magic instantly in his head without having to say or do any hand-signs. Avengers would have to cover Dr Strange for a bit as he does his spells. Superman will blast by Captain Marvel, Thor and hulk then do 1 punch. Dr Strange's head becomes mush like cream cheese. Focus all your resources on killing Dr Strange. Even 1 speed punch (or 500 punches in 1 second) from Flash would destroy Strange. You can't protect Strange from both Superman and Flash at those insane speeds even with Hulk, Captain Marvel and Thor. Only Captain Marvel from the entire Avengers team is fast enough to keep up with Superman and Flash, but she can't stop both (and she is that fast only when in her binary form).

Keep in mind Shazam & Wonder woman have superspeed too. So use those 4 superspeed heroes to focus on Strange & Witch, the only 2 weaknesses of Superman. Once those 2 go down at the beginning of battle, it's over for you buddy. :cheers:

Also keep in mind I'm going by the movies like you wanted so no Martian Manhunter or Dr Fate or Captain Atom or Green Lantern to savagely obliterate the Avengers. I get just Superman, Flash, Shazam, Wonder woman, Batman, Aquaman, Cyborg, etc. So Justice League is essentially neutered.[/QUOTE]

As I mentioned in my post, there is < 10% Superman goes after Dr. Strange 1st with no knowledge on either side. Your whole post was based on previous knowledge and knowing they had to go after Dr. Strange 1st. Without knowledge, highly unlikely the whole team goes after Dr. Strange 1st and foremost, and if they don't, they lose plain and simple.

And if you want to add knowledge and prep time, well Dr. Strange can use his timestone and see ahead to different outcomes of the fight and prep accordingly.


Either way....Avengers prevail