I thought Love's numbers were suppose to explode last season after being unchained from spot up shooting
Worst season of his career, yikes
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I thought Love's numbers were suppose to explode last season after being unchained from spot up shooting
Worst season of his career, yikes
Kevin Love average FGA distance in 2014: 14.3
Kevin Love average FGA distances with LeBron: 14.8, 15.2, 15.2, 14.9
Kevin Love average FGA distance last year (plague by injuries, only 22 games): 16.7
lEbrOn mAdE hIm a SpOt uP shOoTeR
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]OP isn't wrong.
Maybe not complete...I mean these players were allegedly "happier". But Bosh and Love were definitely worse. And before Lebron played way different.
Pau Gasol for example? Remained similar with Kobe. He wasn't really different than in Memphis save for the touches. And as shown, his numbers were the same.[/QUOTE]
So there was also a Wade and Kyrie level guard playing alongside Kobe and Pau, huh? I must have just not noticed seeing him during this Lakers era. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Smoke117]So there was also a Wade and Kyrie level guard playing alongside Kobe and Pau, huh? I must have just not noticed seeing him during this Lakers era. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
No, only Lebron needs to stack the deck with two hall of famers to win.
[QUOTE=Smoke117]So there was also a Wade and Kyrie level guard playing alongside Kobe and Pau, huh? I must have just not noticed seeing him during this Lakers era. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Yeah it’s funny how Pau’s numbers collapsed when he got reduced to 3rd option but they don’t talk about that.
bRaN bAlL doe (as if Kobe was some unselfish teammate :yaohappy: )
[QUOTE=Smoke117]So there was also a Wade and Kyrie level guard playing alongside Kobe and Pau, huh? I must have just not noticed seeing him during this Lakers era. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
lol... if the lakers had a wade or kyrie in that late 00's run they wouldve won 4 chips instead of 2.
its about role dummy. wade or kyrie wouldnt distract from pau's low block niche.
lebron has never been able to play with a low poast guy because his game is all PnR spam & iso mismatch.
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]
Pau Gasol for example? Remained similar with Kobe. He wasn't really different than in Memphis save for the touches. And as shown, his numbers were the same.[/QUOTE]
Pau Gasol was the 2nd option though, not playing 3rd fiddle to 2 alpha scorers. Bad comparison.
[QUOTE=tpols]lol... if the lakers had a wade or kyrie in that late 00's run they wouldve won 4 chips instead of 2.
its about role dummy. wade or kyrie wouldnt distract from pau's low block niche.
lebron has never been able to play with a low poast guy because his game is all PnR spam & iso mismatch.[/QUOTE]
If you have LeBron and Wade or LeBron and Kyrie you don't want a post player clogging up the paint. You're not going to play through that guy in the post. That's just common sense. Learn basketball already. I'm sick and tired of trying to explain it to you. This is all beside the point that Paul Gasol was a better player in the low block anyway. He was much more of a traditional post player than Bosh and Love were.
[QUOTE=Doranku]Kblaze, for the love of God, stop typing me novels about shit that is irrelevant to the thread.
I never once mentioned what these guys WANT. I don't give a shit if they're happier getting dragged to rings while having dreadful performances throughout every playoff run. That's not what this thread is about.
Bosh and Love both become worse basketball players playing with LeBron. I don't know how anyone who actually watched basketball the past decade can say otherwise. I'm asking if the same is going to happen to Anthony Davis. That's it. I DON'T CARE WHAT WILL MAKE THEM HAPPIER.
When Pau Gasol went from being 1st option in Memphis to 2nd option in LA, his numbers literally remained identical.. except his efficiency skyrocketed. We got to see Love as a 2nd option in 2018.. not even remotely close to his 26/13 self. Bosh's numbers slowly declined each year he played with LeBron.
Bron ball is basically that basketball in Space Jam that sucks all the talent from whoever is touched by it except it only works on big men (and Larry Hughes).[/QUOTE]
If you’re going to make a topic suggesting that something bad happened to people who signed up to be third options to win and became third options and won you are going to hear me explain why it’s ridiculous.
This is nothing but an absolutely brutal completely thoughtless agenda topic made by somebody who isn’t even trying to think this through.
Worse numbers as a third option than a first option? Well Jesus ****ing Christ I think you’re on to something. Somebody needs to send this out for extensive review.....
That somebody who had unchecked control of his offense will begin to see his attacking skills atrophy while playing behind two first ballot Hall of Fame creators who don’t need him to attack is equally News worthy.
You need to log off and call a press conference. These observations can’t just be for us few here. Former franchise players who play with all time elite attackers no longer have to jab step four times and create their own offense while inept teammates watch and as a result they get worse at it but improve at the things they are now being asked to do like Create good spacing and be reliable on a kick out?
And these players in this new situation instead of winning about 35 games win between 50 and 66 games and play in the finals every single season and go home ringed up with hundreds of millions of dollars all of their missions having been achieved........while People on the Internet who know absolutely nothing about basketball say they suck because they sacrifice to fit into a team dynamic instead of disrupting it and losing as they have been doing their entire careers previously??
I mean....this is ground breaking shit.
Reduced role with better teammates may cost you numbers....
Winning takes sacrifice.....
Fans are ****ing stupid....
We have made real progress here today. I never realized any of those things before just now.
None of any of this discussion matters anyway. Let's say Anthony Davis leads the lakers in ppg...then idiot obsessive clowns like Doranko, 3ball, egokiller, tpols etc will just find some way to spin that into something negative about LeBron. It's just a never ending shit storm of fukkery with these losers.
Regardless of who went first, second or third....
Love and Bosh were underutilized. Even as third options. I think everyone can agree there.
The dropoff Love had was inconceivable.
Still can't believe Kyrie couldn't get out the second round after being traded to a #1 seed team
In the same historically weak East where anybody can make 8 Finals in a row
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]
Love and Bosh were underutilized. Even as third options.[/quote]
Scoring in the high teens on good efficiency is pretty much the best you can expect from a #3 option. Which is what Bosh and Love were doing.
[QUOTE=Indian guy]Scoring in the high teens on good efficiency is pretty much the best you can expect from a #3 option. Which is what Bosh and Love were doing.[/QUOTE]
You have to factor in Love’s playing time got cut too. He averaged roughly 22/13 per 36 as a third option in 2017.
[QUOTE=Indian guy]Scoring in the high teens on good efficiency is pretty much the best you can expect from a #3 option. Which is what Bosh and Love were doing.[/QUOTE]
Love was a 14-15ppg scorer in the playoffs. And shooting like 40% from the field. ~39% his last playoff run with Lebron.
Bosh had similar numbers, but on better efficiency.
Love could have been better though. He was a greater talent than Bosh imo.