Of all major Democrat candidates only Warren & Booker gave more to charity

[QUOTE=Stephonit;13941751]But the government doesn't treat everyone equally. The benefits the government provides doesn't benefit everyone equally. The owner of a company that has a fleet of trucks transporting merchandise likely uses the roads a whole lot more and benefits a whole lot more from the roads than an individual. You saying they should pay the exact same amount?[/QUOTE]

The corporations also have access to loopholes that no other individual has access to. It is beneficial enough that they end up paying very little in actual taxes. Yes the corporate rate is like 23.5%, but very few, if any, pay close to that. That's a fact nobody can dispute.

[QUOTE=Stephonit;13941758]How do you account for the benefits of education then? The worker who is educated benefits but so does the employer. [B]The employer likely employs multiple workers so the benefit derived is multiplied for the employer. [/B]Shouldn't he pay more in tax for the higher benefit derived from the educational system?[/QUOTE]

So is the risk.

Hence, risk-reward.

That’s like, the essence of what life is homie. No risk, no reward.

No incentive to innovate and employ, no innovation and employment.

If you want a bigger share, demand it. Either with your ability to produce, or your willingness to abstain from unfavorable business models as a consumer. Either earn more, or rely less on others.

Immigration has destroyed the leverage of workers.

Why dont I ever hear you talking about the immigration factor?

Dont have the balls?

Then that’s why you are where you are.

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;13941752]The left has no actual specific, coherent principles. It’s just whatever comes to their mind at the moment, so long as it benefits them.

“Fair share!”

[I]Your hero Bernie hasnt offered a fair share.[/I]

“Nah, I mean Bernie doesnt have to, but like... if youre rich... then like you gotta like, give something more.”

[I]How much more?[/I]

“Well it depends on the person, and like, if if I support them poltically I guess.”

[I]Sounds intelligent.[/I]

“JUST PAY UR FAIR SHARE TO ME ASSHOLE!!!!”[/QUOTE]

Fair share for a start would mean having adequate healthcare without fear of going bankrupt. That's pretty clear.
Free education is pretty clear too since the government owns most of the debt and education benefits society.

[QUOTE=Phong;13941757]What have you done to earn a share of that wealth?[/QUOTE]

I don't want that money. The middle-class deserves it, including my parents, my grandparents, others for working their ass of. Many used to work multiple jobs through the economic boom of 70s/80s/90s.

Go ask that question to your dad and mom. Go ask your grandfather if he is still around. Go ask your uncle. (assuming they were all middle-class or lower)

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;13941765]So is the risk.

Hence, risk-reward.

That’s like, the essence of what life is homie. No risk, no reward.

No incentive to innovate and employ, no innovation and employment.

If you want a bigger share, demand it. Either with your ability to produce, or your willingness to abstain from unfavorable business models as a consumer. Either earn more, or rely less on others.

Immigration has destroyed the leverage of workers.

Why dont I ever hear you talking about the immigration factor?

Dont have the balls?

Then that’s why you are where you are.[/QUOTE]

The government when it provides its services does so to improve society. But it takes a risk too. Why shouldn't it be repaid by employers in an equitable manner? The billionaires profit disproportionately from the services that government and society provide why is it anathema to expect them to pay a proportionate share to the benefits they have reaped?

[QUOTE=bladefd;13941776]I don't want that money. The middle-class deserves it, including my parents, my grandparents, others for working their ass of. Many used to work multiple jobs through the economic boom of 70s/80s/90s.[/quote]Were they not compensated for their work by their employers?

[QUOTE=bladefd;13941776]Go ask that question to your dad and mom. Go ask your grandfather if he is still around. Go ask your uncle. (assuming they were all middle-class or lower)[/QUOTE]I come from a country where people thought it fair to confiscate people's property and redistribute it in the name of a "just and fair society". Those who didn't agree were executed or imprisoned.

If I were to ask my relatives, they would tell me that I have to count on myself to make it. They would point to a successful guy and tell me to look at him and aspire to reach that same level of success. They wouldn't tell me to take his money to reduce our wealth gap.

Seems like your family probably rants about "The Man" who held them back and got rich from the sweat from their backs.

[QUOTE=Stephonit;13941771]Fair share for a start would mean having adequate healthcare without fear of going bankrupt. That's pretty clear.
Free education is pretty clear too since the government owns most of the debt and education benefits society.[/QUOTE]

Should we provide those things to anyone in the world who can reach US soil?

[QUOTE=Stephonit;13941778]The billionaires profit disproportionately from the services that government and society provide why is it anathema to expect them to pay a proportionate share to the benefits they have reaped?[/QUOTE] The 1% already pay 38% of all income tax, the bottom 50% pays nothing.

How much more should the 1% pay? Do you think they can cover the cost of all the free stuff that you want?

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;13941791]Should we provide those things to anyone in the world who can reach US soil?[/QUOTE]



Notice how the convo ended immediately with this question.

Pretty sad..

Bloomberg spent $500 million or more on just wanting power and even more fame during his run.

These people don't care about you or the people below you. They're all the same. Republican and Democrat alike. There needs to be a new party. I'm independent moving forward and never again want to align to any party until after these elections to get this moron out.

[QUOTE=Phong;13941796]The 1% already pay 38% of all income tax, the bottom 50% pays nothing.

How much more should the 1% pay? Do you think they can cover the cost of all the free stuff that you want?[/QUOTE]

Comments like these are exactly why you're on the bottom of the tadpole. The 1% doesn't give a flying fck about you or anyone below them. In fact, they don't even respect millionaires.

Backing them up like you're on their payroll does no good for you or anyone else.

They've earned their money through loopholes and squeezing people who work for them as much as possible until they're on to the next thing.

Walmart can always find another teenager or HS dropout crackhead to work for them without benefits and not a livable wage, or, a person down on their feet with a family to take care of.

It's insane how many people back the top 1% when shit hits the fan here (Corona virus, any disaster) given the opportunity they're going to other places together to avoid the plagues while you fend for yourself.

Sooner or later there's going to be a revolution against them and the numbers in people vs the numbers in money can't do anything but buy time.

[QUOTE=Draz;13942054]
Walmart can always find another teenager or HS dropout crackhead to work for them without benefits and not a livable wage, or, a person down on their feet with a family to take care of.

It's insane how many people back the top 1% when shit hits the fan here (Corona virus, any disaster) given the opportunity they're going to other places together to avoid the plagues while you fend for yourself.

Sooner or later there's going to be a revolution against them and the numbers in people vs the numbers in money can't do anything but buy time.[/QUOTE]


It’s not about taking sides, it’s about a sustainable model of government. There have to be rules, not just people taking from anyone they feel like it because theyve invented a moral justification.

There are thousands of people in every city who live under bridges with no money. If they all walked into your house and demanded their fair share, youd be dialing 911 in a second. You wouldnt be offering to lease them all apartments and pick up their grocery tabs. Youd give them your CHANGE. Your spare crumbs and nothing more. You have WAY MORE than they do. And youd turn them away. Youd call the police and get them out, then youd find someone with more than you and point them out like “look at this guy!!! He has too much!!! someone make him help these people!!!”

People at every income level are responsible for themselves. That’s called a principle. You apparently do not have any. It has nothing to do with supporting billionaires, it has to do with respecting basic society. Yours is yours, someone else’s is theirs. Why cant me and my buddies take from you, but you can take from orhers? Yourself selfish and phony. You wanna SAY the popular stuff (more for everyone, make the fortunate pay!!) but you wont pay yourself. Your whole “philosophy” is a hypocritical, selfish sham that passes the buck.

Not everyone needs to resort to that. Some people have pride and values that say everyone who earns legally can KEEP what they earn and decide how to use it.

Youre no better than a common house thief, just because youve got a bunch of bozos in your echo chamber backing you up.

It’s been explained to you a million times but you stick to your narrative bc you think it makes you sound like some kind of hero. You wont give up YOUR share of the global 1%, so youre pointing the finger at others to make yourself feel better about it. See if you can actually convince enough people to make it legal for you to open up someone else’s wallet and grab what you like.

Youre deciding what you want to believe before thinking about it, and since it’s popular among your peers youre just mindlessly repeating it.

There are intelligent ways to bring down health costs, get people off the street etc. But they require intelligent, cooperative action from YOU AND ME, not just some rich guy to throw cash at a problem cash wont solve.

Youre not interested in intelligent and methodical. You want instant solution that requires nothing from you, but allows you to take all the credit. That wont get results, but youre unable to think far enough ahead to understand how things work anyway.

You have no idea what a child you sound like.

Bottom of the tadpole? I'm not the one moaning and whining to get scraps from the 1%. It's quite pathetic that you guys have no ambitions beyond dreaming about taking other people's money.

Are you gonna be ok until the revolution?

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;13942072]
People at every income level are responsible for themselves. That’s called a principle. You apparently do not have any. [...] Yours is yours, someone else’s is theirs.

Some people have pride and values that say everyone who earns legally can KEEP what they earn and decide how to use it.[/QUOTE]:applause:

I wonder what kind of parents raised such a bunch of whiny and envious losers.

[QUOTE=bladefd;13941749]They don't recognize that fact. Economy has grown exponentially since the late-60s, but only a very small minority at the top has benefited by incomprehensible margins. That's a fact nobody can dispute.

At the same time, that same minority have benefited from massive tax cuts over the decades. That's also a fact nobody can dispute.

It's a double whammy that nobody can dispute.[/QUOTE]

This simply is not the case. Share of income has increased substantially across all sectors. Age gap is something not taken into account in so called wealth "inequality" which isn't a major issue.