why I haven't taken the vaccine and won't for at least 10 years

[QUOTE=theman93;14350806]You're looking at the data incorrectly.

The issue lies in the 12-24 age group, which accounts for less than 9% of vaccines administered (see article). The issue in that age group is males so half that 9% and there is clearly an imbalance there as the CDC's deputy director of the CDC's Immunization Safety Office said.[/QUOTE]

You are right. Even if it's in 4.5% of the total administered... That's 283 out of 5.85 million males. That's 0.004% of those in 12-24 age group. From that, everyone got better on their own without even requiring hospitalization except for 18 people. 0.004 got the temporary condition. 0.0003% needed to go to the hospital for observation. It's so minuscule that the calculator is enable to even show all the 0's after the decimal place.

[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14350940]These are current mask rules where I'm at:

You have to wear a mask everywhere outside unless you're eating, drinking, smoking or exercising. Except on beaches, there you're allowed to take your mask of since a few days ago.

Have to wear masks in all stores.

Can take your mask of in restaurants, bars. You can sit together max 6 people from 6 different households until midnight.
Offices, gyms and cinemas are open.

From July 1st:

Two vaccinated people are allowed to walk around together without mask, if you are more then you have to wear a mask.

Any unvaccinated will have to wear a mask at all times, except in restaurants and bars.

It's absurd walking along the city coast line where there are lots of restaurants, you have to wear a mask but they can sit there without. Then you look back up and see some guy running towards you, he's allowed to huff and puff without a mask, but because you're walking you have to wear a mask.[/QUOTE]
Yikes that is terrible

[QUOTE=bladefd;14350974]You are right. Even if it's in 4.5% of the total administered... That's 283 out of 5.85 million males. That's 0.004% of those in 12-24 age group. From that, everyone got better on their own without even requiring hospitalization except for 18 people. 0.004 got the temporary condition. 0.0003% needed to go to the hospital for observation. It's so minuscule that the calculator is enable to even show all the 0's after the decimal place.[/QUOTE]

Whichever way you slice it it's still an issue, which is why they are looking in to it.

If we're going to nitpick a virus that has a such a high survival rate, then we should also nitpick a vaccine that is causing enough heart inflammation in young males that the CDC is stating it as an issue.

[QUOTE=theman93;14351123]Whichever way you slice it it's still an issue, which is why they are looking in to it.

If we're going to nitpick a virus that has a such a high survival rate, then we should also nitpick a vaccine that is causing enough heart inflammation in young males that the CDC is stating it as an issue.[/QUOTE]

They are looking into it to find out why.

What is higher? 0.2% or 0.0003%? One is larger than the other by a factor of 1000. I believe one is 66,666% larger than the other. I will let you figure out which is smaller and which is larger

[QUOTE=theman93;14351123]Whichever way you slice it it's still an issue, which is why they are looking in to it.

If we're going to nitpick a virus that has a such a high survival rate, then we should also nitpick a vaccine that is causing enough heart inflammation in young males that the CDC is stating it as an issue.[/QUOTE]
It’s like 250 guys

Imagine dying cause you were scared of getting the flu, of which you were likely to get no symptoms :lol

Sounds about right for basement blade

[QUOTE=bladefd;14351330]They are looking into it to find out why.

What is higher? 0.2% or 0.0003%? One is larger than the other by a factor of 1000. I believe one is 66,666% larger than the other. I will let you figure out which is smaller and which is larger[/QUOTE]

Again, your numbers are off because you aren't differentiating deaths from covid and deaths with covid.

Per the CDC, just 6% of covid deaths are from covid alone (from). 94% of covid deaths had an average of 2.6 additional comorbidities (with) meaning these people were already deathly ill and dying anyways. This is backed up when you take in to account the median covid decedent age was 78 years ([url]https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6928e1.htm[/url] - also see chart below which is data from the UK) while the average life expectancy in the US is 78.7 years ([url]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/life-expectancy.htm[/url]).

[IMG]https://i.ibb.co/92ZFNTR/covidagedeath.png[/IMG]

Therefor you only take 6% of the current 633k deaths which is only 36.7k.

Now do the math.

[QUOTE=theman93;14351600]Again, your numbers are off because you aren't differentiating deaths from covid and deaths with covid.

Per the CDC, just 6% of covid deaths are from covid alone (from). 94% of covid deaths had an average of 2.6 additional comorbidities (with) meaning these people were already deathly ill and dying anyways. This is backed up when you take in to account the median covid decedent age was 78 years ([url]https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6928e1.htm[/url] - also see chart below which is data from the UK) while the average life expectancy in the US is 78.7 years ([url]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/life-expectancy.htm[/url]).

[IMG]https://i.ibb.co/92ZFNTR/covidagedeath.png[/IMG]

Therefor you only take 6% of the current 633k deaths which is only 36.7k.

Now do the math.[/QUOTE]

Even if I give you the benefit of the doubt and randomly tossed out 94% of covid deaths (utterly nonsense point btw), we are still looking at a minor side-effect. 0.012 (dead from covid) versus 0.0003 require hospitalization due to the side-effect (none dead). 40x smaller and 4,000% smaller.

If you want to compare apples to apples, go get me the hospitalization rate of those men in that same age-group from covid. You will not because it would destroy your argument. Right now, we are comparing dead from covid to zero deaths from that minor side-effect, which is comparing apples-to-oranges. I gave you 2 separate benefits of the doubt, and your argument still looks foolish.

Anyways, I would never throw out 94% of covid deaths because they were "with" covid rather than "from" covid. Covid increases risk in patients, such as those with diabetes and asthma. We know a lot about diabetes/asthma/etc, have treatments and medications. These medications can keep diabetes and asthma under control so without covid, most of those patients would have probably lived for years more. Covid, however, was something very new and we didn't know how to treat it initially for the first few months. That pretty much puts a lid on your illogical point.

[QUOTE=bladefd;14351682]Even if I give you the benefit of the doubt and randomly tossed out 94% of covid deaths (utterly nonsense point btw), we are still looking at a minor side-effect. 0.012 (dead from covid) versus 0.0003 require hospitalization (none dead). 40x smaller and 4,000% smaller.

Anyways, I would never throw out 94% of covid deaths because they were "with" covid rather than "from" covid. Covid increases risk in patients, such as those with diabetes and asthma. We know a lot about diabetes/asthma/etc, have treatments and medications. These medications can keep diabetes and asthma under control so without covid, most of those patients would have probably lived for years more. Covid, however, was something very new and we didn't know how to treat it initially for the first few months.[/QUOTE]

You're not wrong per say, however the data backs up that covid accelerating the deaths of those with diabetes/asthma is more of a rarity than it is a common occurrence when it's observed that the average life expectancy is equal to the median covid decedent age.

Anyways, 12-24 year olds taking the vaccine isn't really worth it as they are hardly even effected.

[IMG]https://i.ibb.co/QvtRgW5/12-24cv.png[/IMG]

How many children (under 18) have died from Covid-19 in the last 18 months? How many of those were otherwise healthy?

How many children have died in the last 18 months from causes other than Covid-19?

How many children are obese in the US? Overweight? Have type 2 diabetes? Have a psychiatric condition? (Treated for it with a drug?)

[QUOTE=Cleverness;14351722]How many children (under 18) have died from Covid-19 in the last 18 months? How many of those were otherwise healthy?

How many children have died in the last 18 months from causes other than Covid-19?

How many children are obese in the US? Overweight? Have type 2 diabetes? Have a psychiatric condition? (Treated for it with a drug?)[/QUOTE]
How many lives have trump's covid task forces saved since 2020?

"there are no long term side effects of the vaccine even though it's only been less than 6 months since rollout."

you brain dead sheeps are really bunch of morons :roll:

[video=youtube;iBEErTd-iS8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBEErTd-iS8[/video]

soccor player COLLAPSE on the field after taking vaccine

[IMG]https://monophy.com/media/GV3aYiEP8qbao/monophy.gif[/IMG]

[QUOTE=bladefd;14350674]Who is requiring you to get a vaccine?? If private businesses are, that's their deal. [B][I]The government is not requiring citizens to get a vaccine.[/I][/B] If you don't want it, don't get it but don't be a lil b!tch about it constantly crying about it.[/QUOTE]

Actually the government does require exactly that in some places. Kenneth is from Ontario, Canada and the government locked down the whole province requiring 60% of the population to get vaccinated before entering phase 1 of reopening. Before that, you weren't allowed to visit family members from different house holds, you couldn't hang out with any friends even outdoors, you had people getting fined for literally talking to their neighbors on their own driveways, you have a stay at home order unless you go out to purchase essential items or for some quick exercise, you aren't allowed to buy clothes, baby toys, electronics or any other articles that are deemed non essential in stores. Private businesses were forced to comply with those ''safety'' measures put in place by the Government, it wasn't their own decisions.

Are you seriously defending this? Your freedom is literally dependent on the amount of people vaccinated...lol

[QUOTE=iamgine;14346498]One might be forgiven for thinking, "but it's only been a few months. What about side effects that would take years to show up?" Nope. With this many people vaccinated, there's nothing that will show up that hasn't already. Would be different if the sample is only a few hundreds or a thousand.[/QUOTE]

Then why is there still ongoing clinical research and data analysis/monitoring and why is the vaccine only approved under EUA? You think we already have all the answers and nothing new will be discovered even 4-5 years from now?