Not anymore maybe in 1980 Wilt was top 5
but now you have LeBron,Kareem, Jordan,Shaq, Duncan, Magic,Bird, Hakeem,Kobe and Russell who are all arguably ahead of Wilt
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Not anymore maybe in 1980 Wilt was top 5
but now you have LeBron,Kareem, Jordan,Shaq, Duncan, Magic,Bird, Hakeem,Kobe and Russell who are all arguably ahead of Wilt
[QUOTE=Manny98;14427484]Not anymore maybe in 1980 Wilt was top 5
but now you have LeBron,Kareem, Jordan,Shaq, Duncan, Magic,Bird, Hakeem,Kobe and Russell who are all arguably ahead of Wilt[/QUOTE]
Lebron
Jordan
Kareem
Are usually ranked above Wilt.
But Wilt is usually ranked over everybody else besides Russell sometimes.
ESPN's All-Time Rankings (2016)
5. Wilt Chamberlain
4. Magic Johnson
3. LeBron James
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
1. Michael Jordan
[QUOTE=coastalmarker99;14427483]Wilt usually for the past 50 years has been ranked as a top 5 player of all-time.
AP Basketball Player of the Century (1999)
Michael Jordan (49)
Oscar Robertson (44)
Wilt Chamberlain (42)
Selection Panel of Marv Albert, Chick Hearn, Fuzzy Levane, Harvey Pollack, Bill Russell, and Lenny Wilkens
SLAM Magazine Top 75 NBA Players of All-Time (2003)
Michael Jordan
Wilt Chamberlain
Oscar Robertson
Bill Russell
Magic Johnson
Larry Bird
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Jerry West
Shaquille O'Neal
Julius Erving
Slam Magazine's Top 50 NBA Players Of All-Time (2009)
1) Michael Jordan
2) Wilt Chamberlain
3) Bill Russell
4) Shaquille O'Neal
5) Oscar Robertson
6) Magic Johnson
Inside Hoops Top 50 NBA Players Of All-Time (2007)
1. Michael Jordan
2. Wilt Chamberlain
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Earvin 'Magic' Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Bill Russell
Real GM's Top 50 NBA Players Of All-Time (June 2014)
1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Wilt
5. Duncan
6. Shaq
7. LeBron
8. Magic
9. Hakeem
10. Bird
Pro Sports Daily (July 2014)
1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Wilt
4. Magic
5. Shaq
6. Duncan
7. Hakeem
8. LeBron
9. Bird
10. Kobe
Top 10 NBA Player Peaks of All-Time According to ISH 2012)
#1 Michael Jordan 90-93
#2 Shaquille O'Neal 99-02
#3 Wilt Chamberlain 65-68
Wilt was ranked No. 13 in the ESPN list "Top North American Athletes of the Century" in 1999.
And was also voted the second-best center of all-time by ESPN behind Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in 2007.[/QUOTE]
Wilt is top 5, Manny is just trolling because his super team forming hero KD got cucked once agian. KD needs Curry to win. No Curry, no nothing.
[QUOTE=coastalmarker99;14427485]Lebron
Jordan
Kareem
Are usually ranked above Wilt.
But Wilt is usually ranked over everybody else besides Russell sometimes.
ESPN's All-Time Rankings (2016)
5. Wilt Chamberlain
4. Magic Johnson
3. LeBron James
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
1. Michael Jordan[/QUOTE]
The latest ESPN ranking has him out of the top 5
[url]https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29105801/ranking-top-74-nba-players-all-nos-10-1[/url]
[QUOTE=Manny98;14427484]Not anymore maybe in 1980 Wilt was top 5
but now you have LeBron,Kareem, Jordan,Shaq, Duncan, Magic,Bird, Hakeem,Kobe and Russell who are all arguably ahead of Wilt[/QUOTE]
RealGM 100
Real GM's Top 50 NBA Players Of All-Time (2003)
1 Michael Jordan
2 Wilt Chamberlain
Real GM's Top 50 NBA Players Of All-Time (2006)
1 Wilt Chamberlain
2 Michael Jordan
Real GM's Top 50 NBA Players Of All-Time (2008)
1 Michael Jordan
2 Kareem
3 Bill Russell
4 Wilt Chamberlain
Real GM's Top 50 NBA Players Of All-Time (2011)
1 Jordan
2 Russell
3 Kareem
4 Magic
5 Wilt.
Real GM's Top 50 NBA Players Of All-Time (June 2014)
1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Wilt
5. Duncan
Wilt went from being top 3 for the majority of basketball history.
And what's weird is how Russell took his place in many people's top 3s.
As Till the early 90s and mid-2000s the GOAT discussion was Jordan vs Wilt.
Real GM (2017)
1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. LeBron
4. Russell
5. Duncan
Real GM 2020
1. MJ
2. LeBron
3. Kareem
4. Bill Russell
5. Duncan
Here are Wilt's career highs
Points-100
Rebounds-55
Assists-21
Blocks-30
Steals-11
Love him or hate him Wilt was no doubt the greatest individual player ever, striking fear in his opponent's hearts
Bill Russell even confessed he had nightmares prior to games against Wilt
In these Russell-Wilt discussions, it is fascinating that the players tended to be more favourable to Russell, while the sportswriters, who voted for the All-NBA teams, were definitely pro-Wilt.
In their 10 seasons in the league together, Russell and Wilt each won four MVPs, with Russell coming in 2nd once, 3rd twice, 4th twice, and not in the voting in 67-68.
Meanwhile, Wilt came in 2nd twice, 4th once, 5th once, 7th once, and not at all in the 68-69 balloting.
In the All-NBA voting in their ten years in the league together, Chamberlain waxed Russell by a 7-2 margin, with the other always coming in second, except in the 68-69 season.
As you can see, the voting discrepancies were considerable between the players and the writers. So then, who was more "right?"
Wilt himself brought it up before in his books and I wholeheartedly agree with him...I suspect as Wilt did himself suspect that there was a strong resentment towards Wilt, and his crushing domination of his peers in his 14 seasons in the league.
Why would Russell fear Chokerlain when was he was 7-1 against him in the playoffs
Nobody cares that you scored 100 in a game when you wet the bed averaging 10ppg in the finals and shoot worse than Ben Simmons from the free throw line :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Manny98;14427502]Why would Russell fear Chokerlain when was he was 7-1 against him in the playoffs
Nobody cares that you scored 100 in a game when you wet the bed averaging 10ppg in the finals and shoot worse than Ben Simmons from the free throw line :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Wilt in 1969 was completely misused by van Breda Kolf.
It got so bad that SI ran an article claiming that Wilt could no longer score.
Wilt caught wind of the article, and the night before it hit the news stands Chamberlain exploded with a 60 point game.
He followed that up with a 66 point game (on 29-35 shooting) a few days later.
In fact, over the course of 17 straight games, Wilt crushed the league, averaging 31.1 ppg in that span.
Included were games of 30 on ROY and HOFer Elvin Hayes; 33 on Bob Rule (look him up...he had three straight outstanding seasons before he injured his knee), and even a 35 point game on Russell, which was his highest against Russell since his 46 point game in the '66 ECF's.
Of course, Van Breda Kolf, couldn't stand that. He was even quoted with this, "When we pass the ball to Wilt, he will score. But it is an ugly offence to watch."
So instead he focused the offence entirely through West and a rapidly declining Baylor who was incredibly inefficient.
Yet somehow he took the most shots as he averaged 15.3 PPG on 38.5 percent shooting in the 1969 postseason.
While Wilt was at 13.9 ppg on .54.5 shooting
[QUOTE=Manny98;14427502]Why would Russell fear Chokerlain when was he was 7-1 against him in the playoffs
Nobody cares that you scored 100 in a game when you wet the bed averaging 10ppg in the finals and shoot worse than Ben Simmons from the free throw line :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Bill Russell benefited by always playing on either a super-team or super-duper team.
Wilt had less help.
[QUOTE=Manny98;14427502]Why would Russell fear Chokerlain when was he was 7-1 against him in the playoffs
Nobody cares that you scored 100 in a game when you wet the bed averaging 10ppg in the finals and shoot worse than Ben Simmons from the free throw line :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
I saw a lot of the Lebron-Wade (Bosh) chemistry issues in that first year in LA with West-Wilt (Baylor.)
Lebron was tentative because he just didn't know what his real role was in his first year in Miami. Same with Chamberlain in 1969.
Still despite that in the 1969 NBA Finals, Chamberlain had a total of 3 triple-doubles in that finals series.
GAME 1 15 PTS 23 REBS 4 ASTS 12 BLKS 6-11 FG 3-9 FT
GAME 2 4 PTS 19 REBS 4 ASTS 1-6 FG 2-4 FT
GAME 3 16 PTS 26 REBS 2 ASTS 6-11 FG 4-11 FT
GAME 4 8 PTS 31 REBS 1 ASTS 8 blocks 3-8 FG 2-11 FT
GAME 5 13 PTS 31 REBS 3 ASTS 10 BLKS 5-9 FG 3-8 FT
GAME 6 8 PTS 18 REBS 4 ASTS 1-5 FG 6-10 FT
GAME 7 18 PTS 27 REBS 3 ASTS 10 BLKS 7-8 FG 4-13 FT
Wilt only averaged 10 FG per game in the 1969 finals and in-game 3 of those finals.
He was frozen out of the offence in the fourth quarter as West and Baylor shot a combined 1 from 14 in the fourth quarter.
[QUOTE=Mr. Woke;14427507]Bill Russell benefited by always playing on either a super-team or super-duper team.
Wilt had less help.[/QUOTE]
Russell never had a teammate as good as Jerry West or Elgin Baylor
[IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/pVpc6Lyk/145b41a745ccbd6c89bd199fbb244bfd.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Manny98;14427510]Russell never had a teammate as good as Jerry West or Elgin Baylor
[IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/pVpc6Lyk/145b41a745ccbd6c89bd199fbb244bfd.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
If Elgin Baylor was being evaluated for what he did during the years that Wilt Chamberlain was a Laker, Baylor would not be in the Hall of Fame today.
Out of a total of 328 games in the 4 seasons, he played 132; the last playoff game he played was in 1970.
He was horrific in the 1969 Finals. A true choke job, losing game after game because the coach demanded the Lakers give him the ball.
Baylor in the 1969 finals had four games of 4-18, 2-14 (and 1-5 from the line...in a one-point loss), 4-13, and then a game seven of 8-22 from the field.
In those four games, three of them losses, Baylor shot a combined 18-67, or .26.9!
For the entire series, Baylor shot .39.7. And how about this...Baylor was the worst shooting Laker player on that entire roster in the entire '69 playoffs (.38.5.)
There used to be youtube film of a couple of those Finals games and you can literally hear the bricks he threw clanging against the rim.
The Celtics literally left him alone in the corner for like ....... the entire series.
Go on Youtube sometime and watch the Celtics winning shots in those Finals games.
They are shooting directly over the disastrously bad defence of Elgin Baylor.
Baylor played 2 games in '71, and 9 games in '72. Total. For the season.
Do you seriously want to count Baylor as a great teammate of Wilt Chamberlain?
[QUOTE=coastalmarker99;14427508]I saw a lot of the Lebron-Wade (Bosh) chemistry issues in that first year in LA with West-Wilt (Baylor.)
Lebron was tentative because he just didn't know what his real role was in his first year in Miami. Same with Chamberlain in 1969.
Still despite that in the 1969 NBA Finals, Chamberlain had a total of 3 triple-doubles in that finals series.
GAME 1 15 PTS 23 REBS 4 ASTS 12 BLKS 6-11 FG 3-9 FT
GAME 2 4 PTS 19 REBS 4 ASTS 1-6 FG 2-4 FT
GAME 3 16 PTS 26 REBS 2 ASTS 6-11 FG 4-11 FT
GAME 4 8 PTS 31 REBS 1 ASTS 8 blocks 3-8 FG 2-11 FT
GAME 5 13 PTS 31 REBS 3 ASTS 10 BLKS 5-9 FG 3-8 FT
GAME 6 8 PTS 18 REBS 4 ASTS 1-5 FG 6-10 FT
GAME 7 18 PTS 27 REBS 3 ASTS 10 BLKS 7-8 FG 4-13 FT[/QUOTE]
You just made my point
Jordan or Lebron would get absolutely torn to shreds they failed to score above 10 points in a finals game let alone 3 times :facepalm
Wilt is a tier below LeBron and MJ, no shame in that still arguably top 10 all time but far from the GOAT
[B]Official Vote Tally[/B]
Lebron James - 9 (8ball, SouBeachTalents, Bankaii, SaintzFury13, RRR3, Honor Boost, Magic is Magic, 1987_Lakers, Ryoka Narusava)
Wilt Chamberlain - 4 (coastalmarker99, Thenameless, L. Kizzle, warriorfan)
Bill Russell - 4 (Dbrog, dankok8, Reggie43, jlip)
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - 4 (ChickStern, ClipperRevival, jstern, Overdrive)
Lebron won. The #3 thread is now open.